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    Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    MEXICO CITY – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday that America's "insatiable" demand for illegal drugs and inability to stop weapons smuggling into Mexico are fueling an alarming spike in violence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

    "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade," she said. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians."
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    That's right Hillary, blame the users for the very problems that politicians like you have caused with your prohibitionist policies. Ignore the reality that these wars and violent drug cartels exist because of the War on Drugs, not in spite of it. Case in point: How many violent alcohol gangs are there? Have you ever heard of a violent tobacco cartel? Is anyone fighting any caffeine wars? No. But the significance of that fact is completely lost on prohibitionists like Hillary. No, it's the users who are at fault for the violence that follows illicit drugs. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with dogmatic policies that send the trade into the black market and have clearly been shown to be a failure both in the past as well as for the last 30 years.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
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    That's right Hillary, blame the users for the very problems that politicians like you have caused with your prohibitionist policies. Ignore the reality that these wars and violent drug cartels exist because of the War on Drugs, not in spite of it. Case in point: How many violent alcohol gangs are there? Have you ever heard of a violent tobacco cartel? Is anyone fighting any caffeine wars? No. But the significance of that fact is completely lost on prohibitionists like Hillary. No, it's the users who are at fault for the violence that follows illicit drugs. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with dogmatic policies that send the trade into the black market and have clearly been shown to be a failure both in the past as well as for the last 30 years.
    I don't know. It sounds to me like she's making a precursor argument for ending the war on drugs. the use of the word "insatiable" implies that trying to prevent it is fruitless.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

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    I don't know. It sounds to me like she's making a precursor argument for ending the war on drugs. the use of the word "insatiable" implies that trying to prevent it is fruitless.
    Any time a politician talks about the "demand for drugs" as a cause of the violence, it's usually a safe bet that they favor draconian enforcement to continue this idiocy.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Shares the blame? that is the understatement of the week. Is the blame, it is our Drug War that we have imposed on the rest of the world. This is the driving force on the black market and the immense fortunes to be had that is the cause of the crisis. The Drug war is the only thing to blame, nothing to share there.

    As I am typing this Jack Cafferty is asking a poignant question on TV on the subject:

    "What should be done about the fact that the Mexican drug cartels are now operating in 230 American cities?"

    had to detour mid post to go submit my thoughts on the matter to him.


    Hillary is still walking a tightrope on this subject, perhaps "insatiable" is acquiescence to the fact that our war is failed, but I do not think she, nor the Obama administration are ready to pick up this political hot potato with all the others they are already juggling. I could be wrong, in fact I hope I am.

    On another related note here, Welcome to the White House is asking people to submit questions, and the president will answer the most popular questions tomorrow morning. So far in several categories the legalization question in one form or other is the top question in popularity. I have a feeling they will not be addressed, or if they are it will be a quick dismissive answer. Again I hope I am wrong here.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Any time a politician talks about the "demand for drugs" as a cause of the violence, it's usually a safe bet that they favor draconian enforcement to continue this idiocy.
    I don't know. Right now, because they are illegal, the money only goes to criminals. If legalized, there wouldn't be the violent criminal element.

    So it is true that the demand for illegal drugs is a cause of violence. If legalized, there would be no more demand for Illegal drugs, and thus an end to much of the violence because the criminals would cease to receive funding from their criminal enterprise.

    Then legal manufacturers would exist, and they would not have need of violence to protect their enterprise.

    Teh fact that "illegal" is a part of the statement gives me pause on my judgment against the statement.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

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    That's right Hillary, blame the users for the very problems that politicians like you have caused with your prohibitionist policies. Ignore the reality that these wars and violent drug cartels exist because of the War on Drugs, not in spite of it. Case in point: How many violent alcohol gangs are there? Have you ever heard of a violent tobacco cartel? Is anyone fighting any caffeine wars? No. But the significance of that fact is completely lost on prohibitionists like Hillary. No, it's the users who are at fault for the violence that follows illicit drugs. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with dogmatic policies that send the trade into the black market and have clearly been shown to be a failure both in the past as well as for the last 30 years.
    I completely agree. Prohibition is absolutely the cause of nearly 100% of the violence associated with drugs. Interestingly, there WERE violent alcohol gangs during Prohibition. They were called the mafia. If there had been no Prohibition (and later, no war on drugs) they never would've gained a foothold in the United States.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Shares the blame? that is the understatement of the week. Is the blame, it is our Drug War that we have imposed on the rest of the world. This is the driving force on the black market and the immense fortunes to be had that is the cause of the crisis. The Drug war is the only thing to blame, nothing to share there.

    As I am typing this Jack Cafferty is asking a poignant question on TV on the subject:

    "What should be done about the fact that the Mexican drug cartels are now operating in 230 American cities?"

    had to detour mid post to go submit my thoughts on the matter to him.


    Hillary is still walking a tightrope on this subject, perhaps "insatiable" is acquiescence to the fact that our war is failed, but I do not think she, nor the Obama administration are ready to pick up this political hot potato with all the others they are already juggling. I could be wrong, in fact I hope I am.

    On another related note here, Welcome to the White House is asking people to submit questions, and the president will answer the most popular questions tomorrow morning. So far in several categories the legalization question in one form or other is the top question in popularity. I have a feeling they will not be addressed, or if they are it will be a quick dismissive answer. Again I hope I am wrong here.

    If the Drug Cartel is running out of 230 cities, then that only reinforces the idea that the Cartel is both operating as capitalists and kicking the living hell out of the DEA, and other crusaders; not to mention, it shows Americas love for drugs.

    I guess in an economy where you are taught the "American Dream", and when you strive you will succeed, and a bottom feeder, through hard work, can rise above the rest of the bottom-feeders that when you see your income dwindle, and when you see the very heart of our economy become immediate criminals, and when television is full of tv shows with 'roid heads banging an hour-glass.... then drugs do make a whole lot of sense.

    We should be doing what we do the best...
    ruin the capitalist ventures of the Drug Cartel; make it legal.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If the Drug Cartel is running out of 230 cities, then that only reinforces the idea that the Cartel is both operating as capitalists and kicking the living hell out of the DEA, and other crusaders; not to mention, it shows Americas love for drugs.

    I guess in an economy where you are taught the "American Dream", and when you strive you will succeed, and a bottom feeder, through hard work, can rise above the rest of the bottom-feeders that when you see your income dwindle, and when you see the very heart of our economy become immediate criminals, and when television is full of tv shows with 'roid heads banging an hour-glass.... then drugs do make a whole lot of sense.

    We should be doing what we do the best...
    ruin the capitalist ventures of the Drug Cartel; make it legal.
    There is no doubt someone is going to make some money off of this.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
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    That's right Hillary, blame the users for the very problems that politicians like you have caused with your prohibitionist policies. Ignore the reality that these wars and violent drug cartels exist because of the War on Drugs, not in spite of it. Case in point: How many violent alcohol gangs are there? Have you ever heard of a violent tobacco cartel? Is anyone fighting any caffeine wars? No. But the significance of that fact is completely lost on prohibitionists like Hillary. No, it's the users who are at fault for the violence that follows illicit drugs. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with dogmatic policies that send the trade into the black market and have clearly been shown to be a failure both in the past as well as for the last 30 years.

    Depends on how you define violence.

    Cause of death is pretty good.

    Tobacco 435,0001
    Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,0001
    Alcohol 85,000 1


    Annual Causes of Death in the United States

    The mexican drug war has claimed 7337 lives so far. Not quite 2%


    The tobacco/alcohol Cartels are 98% more dangerous than any set of maniacs with guns roaming the streets.

    No one is forcing anyone to smoke or drink. It is the users lack of self control as much as anything else.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Depends on how you define violence.

    Cause of death is pretty good.

    Tobacco 435,0001
    Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,0001
    Alcohol 85,000 1


    Annual Causes of Death in the United States

    The mexican drug war has claimed 7337 lives so far. Not quite 2%


    The tobacco/alcohol Cartels are 98% more dangerous than any set of maniacs with guns roaming the streets.

    No one is forcing anyone to smoke or drink. It is the users lack of self control as much as anything else.
    We have to accept humanity, and all of it's fallacies, or not at all.
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