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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post


    I was going to attempt an actual response to the three giant posts above but... forget it. Two against one is a tough break and it's not like we'll ever agree anyways. Sorry guys.
    Hilarious picture.

    These things never really play out. I honestly think it is because you guys have a far more difficult position to defend.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Two on one is rough as it is, and that's why I didn't join in.

    But I do like this topic, and I wonder if there's anyone who will disagree with me when I say that the U.S. more than "shares blame' for the Mexican drug wars, but is in fact to blame.


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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I was going to attempt an actual response to the three giant posts above but... forget it. Two against one is a tough break and it's not like we'll ever agree anyways. Sorry guys.
    Aww that's too bad. It's all good though. You held out longer than most.

    We're all on the same side on this issue, because we all have the same goals to minimize drug use and the harm it causes, but we just have different views on the right (and wrong) way to go about accomplishing that.

    Having said that, aside from a few peripheral arguments, Goldenboy and I have been saying essentially the same thing across the board. So in that context it's not really you vs. two other posters so much as it's you vs. two simple points:

    1. Prohibition has no known affect on the rate of drug use.
    2. Prohibition causes more problems than it solves.

    Those two points are really all that's on the table. Everything else is a subsidiary of one of them. No need to quote and reply to each and every statement from 3 different posts. Just two simple points to refute. That's not so bad is it?

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    But I do like this topic, and I wonder if there's anyone who will disagree with me when I say that the U.S. more than "shares blame' for the Mexican drug wars, but is in fact to blame.
    I agree that we share most of the blame for our drug policies, but I think Mexico deserves some of the blame because they've been unable to address major criminal problems besides the drug cartels. The notorious corruption in the police force likely contributed to allowing the cartels to become as large and dangerous as they are today.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I agree that we share most of the blame for our drug policies, but I think Mexico deserves some of the blame because they've been unable to address major criminal problems besides the drug cartels. The notorious corruption in the police force likely contributed to allowing the cartels to become as large and dangerous as they are today.
    The police force is mostly corrupt BECAUSE the cartels have infiltrated them. I'm not saying that corruption would disappear overnight if the cartels did, but the situation would certainly be a lot better.

    The US Congress and President Obama could completely eliminate the cartels within six months. All it takes is the stroke of a pen legalizing all drugs.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The police force is mostly corrupt BECAUSE the cartels have infiltrated them.
    Hadn't considered that, but I'd bet you're not far off. Thanks!

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Hadn't considered that, but I'd bet you're not far off. Thanks!
    That actually is the case; the immense profits from trafficking drugs to the U.S. allows these cartels to throw money at police leaders, politicians, and other government officials like bribery is goin' outta style.

    Having lived in Mexico, however, I have seen some other corruption (on a much smaller, more begin level). This is a result of this process, 1)Mexico is not a very wealthy country 2) Mexico can only pay government workers so much (perhaps not always enough) 3) government workers sometimes need ways to supplement their income: this can take the form of accepting bribes.


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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    For the sake of laughs.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc"]YouTube - Spiders On Drugs[/ame]
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Ah that one's a classic! Thanks Goldenboy.


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