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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Holy circular logic, Batman! "Drugs are illegal because you're ingesting illegal substances into your body."

    The point he is making is that you put yourself at serious risk performing those extreme activities. Just like putting your life in danger while doing drugs. It's a personal decision. It's my body, not the government. The government has no right to tell me what I can or cannot do to my own body. I am not infringing upon the rights of another by taking drugs.
    True, but how do you think drug use spreads? Do you think that someone who has never seen a drug or anyone use it will suddenly decide to try some?

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    True, but how do you think drug use spreads?
    Because people start off wanting to have some harmless fun with pot with their friends, and they have to rely on a shady criminal to provide it, who then encourages them to try more dangerous drugs.

    If drugs were available at legitimate commercial establishments, there could be actual enforceable laws against encouraging your pot customers to try heroin.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    They are most certainly regulated and improper distribution or use is illegal.



    By comparing officially recognized sporting events to illegal judgement impairing drug use you did.

    Sense of humor. Regulated.Regulated.

    How are you comparing injecting heroin to watching Spongbob? Are you saying they are comparatively unhealthy for you? I am sure this could be debated on some level but the mere physical aspects of drugs probably outweighs by far any permanent mental bruise one might have suffered by a cartoon. Bomb on a turban or otherwise.



    Some common mental disorders related to drug use

    Drug withdrawal (292.0);

    Drug-induced paranoia (292.11);

    Drug-induced hallucinations (292.12);

    Drug-induced delirium (292.81);

    Drug-induced persisting dementia (292.82);

    Drug-induced persisting amnestic disorder (292.83);

    Drug-induced mood disorder (eg, depression; 282.84);

    Drug-induced sleep disorder (eg, insomnia; 292.85);

    Drug-induced anxiety disorder (292.89); and

    Drug-induced sexual dysfunction (292.89).
    This is a typical prohibitionist argument. Mention every health consequence of drug use in existence, and consistently fail to connect the logic from "unhealthy" to "illicit."

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    This is a typical prohibitionist argument.
    Yes 2+2=4 in this universe

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Mention every health consequence of drug use in existence,
    Ahh but we are not overgeneralizing to every drug in existence are we? Just very specific drugs with a high causality ratio of negative effects.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Ahh but we are not overgeneralizing to every drug in existence are we? Just very specific drugs with a high causality ratio of negative effects.
    You know what else has a high casualty ratio with plenty of negative effects, that far outweigh the casualty ratio of any specific drug? Being an illegal drug dealer. So how about we abolish that career path by legalizing drugs.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Ahh but we are not overgeneralizing to every drug in existence are we? Just very specific drugs with a high causality ratio of negative effects.
    So then let's get specific. Why don't you educate me on the negative effects of Psilocybin. Considering, of course, that it's less toxic for you then aspirin, grows in the ground and no one has ever died from consuming it.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post



    Ahh but we are not overgeneralizing to every drug in existence are we? Just very specific drugs with a high causality ratio of negative effects.
    Okay please list the number of people that have ODed on pot.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know what else has a high casualty ratio with plenty of negative effects, that far outweigh the casualty ratio of any specific drug? Being an illegal drug dealer. So how about we abolish that career path by legalizing drugs.
    That is very unlikely. Unless I can see proof that the deaths caused by keeping a drug illegal and allowing for conflicts with drug dealers is greater than the negative effects and deaths caused by the drug itself, I am against legalizing that drug.

    Here's a better idea: let's discourage that career path by making penalties for it harsher.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay please list the number of people that have ODed on pot.
    "negative effect" does not necessarily mean OD.

    It looks like they mostly died from being stupid enough to take illegal drugs in the first place.

    It is usually associated with a "sudden and unexpected death"

    good pros and cons in that analysis but the study is obviously flawed in doing anything but presenting numbers..

    Deaths from Marijuana

    brain edema
    cardiovascular failure
    Getting eaten by a tiger at the zoo after getting high and screwing with him.

    rarer cases

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    17,000 drug related deaths Annual Causes of Death in the United States

    I find it odd they exclude drug induced car accidents.

    Unfortunately they dont list the 17 thousand names individually. They should.
    Last edited by akyron; 04-24-09 at 07:07 PM.
    Thank you

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know what else has a high casualty ratio with plenty of negative effects, that far outweigh the casualty ratio of any specific drug? Being an illegal drug dealer. So how about we abolish that career path by legalizing drugs.
    How does that make sense again?
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