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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Depends on how you define violence.

    Cause of death is pretty good.

    Tobacco 435,0001
    Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,0001
    Alcohol 85,000 1


    Annual Causes of Death in the United States

    The mexican drug war has claimed 7337 lives so far. Not quite 2%


    The tobacco/alcohol Cartels are 98% more dangerous than any set of maniacs with guns roaming the streets.

    No one is forcing anyone to smoke or drink. It is the users lack of self control as much as anything else.
    i would suspect than that if illegal drugs were legalized we would see a huge spike in drug related deaths, instead of drug war fatalities

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    i would suspect than that if illegal drugs were legalized we would see a huge spike in drug related deaths, instead of drug war fatalities
    Let's examine this idea a little more closely:

    1. What are the main causes of drug-related deaths unrelated to the drug war? Answer: Overdoses.

    2. Why do people generally overdose? Answer: Because they misjudge how much they are taking.

    3. Why do people generally misjudge how much they are taking? Answer: Because there is no reliable standard of purity in the drugs.

    4. Why is there no reliable standard of purity in the drugs? Answer: Because they are sold by greedy, irresponsible criminals rather than gas stations and convenience stores.

    5. Why are they sold by greedy, irresponsible criminals rather than gas stations and convenience stores? Answer: Because they are illegal.


    The drug war is mostly responsible for ALL drug-related deaths, including overdoses. This is why deaths from alcohol poisoning are comparatively rare. No one buys alcohol from seedy criminals hanging out in alleys, and no one has any doubts as to the alcohol content of their drink, as it's clearly labeled on the bottle.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    and yet over 500,000 people die every year from using legal, controled products similar to drugs. where will that number be after legalizing drugs
    2x? 3x?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and yet over 500,000 people die every year from using legal, controled products similar to drugs. where will that number be after legalizing drugs
    2x? 3x?
    Which products are you talking about? Cigarettes? No one overdoses on cigarettes, they die after using them continuously for many decades. The main cause of death from most illegal drugs (aside from violence) is overdosing...because people don't know what they're buying and how much.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and yet over 500,000 people die every year from using legal, controled products similar to drugs. where will that number be after legalizing drugs
    2x? 3x?
    The number of deaths for people dying from using legal substances will go up slightly, simply because deaths attributed to illegal use would then be recategorized to be in this statistic.

    over all drug related (from what are currently labeled illegal drugs) deaths will decrease. Both from a lowered overdose potential as kandahar explained, and even more significantly the more common cause of death -drug related violence- will virtually evaporate

    2x, 3x?? please!... do we have 1/2 million or 1 million deaths a year from illegal drug abuse currently? Deaths from illegal drugs pale in comparison to tobacco related deaths alone. In the year 2000 there were 435,000 deaths attributed to tobacco alone, in the same year all illicit drug use, direct and indirect had 17,000 deaths attributed.

    A bit of realism instead of unsupportable exaggerated supposition would be appreciated.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and yet over 500,000 people die every year from using legal, controled products similar to drugs. where will that number be after legalizing drugs
    2x? 3x?
    People are dying regardless, the categorization of the deaths is irrelevant.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    People are dying regardless, the categorization of the deaths is irrelevant.
    Ahh but in these cases they are not dying regardless There is a cause of death be it lung cancer, liver failure, or the propensity to seek out bad black tar(Good will kill you just as dead).

    Examples of lives cut short by a created situation. A situation that could be avoided such as smoking.
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Ahh but in these cases they are not dying regardless There is a cause of death be it lung cancer, liver failure, or the propensity to seek out bad black tar(Good will kill you just as dead).

    Examples of lives cut short by a created situation. A situation that could be avoided such as smoking.
    A situation that is up to the individual to avoid or accept the risk inherent with their actions.

    Perhaps we should argue against rock climbing, white water rafting, skydiving, surfing and skiing as well because it poses an inherent risk on ones well being based on a created situation, a situation that could be avoided.

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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    People are dying regardless, the categorization of the deaths is irrelevant.
    I wish the government would recognize this, if they did there would be no war on drugs.

    Fact of the matter is if someone wants to waste their lives away they will do it with drugs, or spray patin in a bottle.

    What's the difference? One is legal to buy, the other isn't, but the outcome is the same. Time to end the war on drugs people because if someone wants to waste their lives away they will find a way.

    Kinda like if there is a ban on guns people will find a way to kill each other with bats and knives.

    Prohibition DOESN'T WORK!!!!!
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    Re: Clinton: US shares blame for Mexican drug wars

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The number of deaths for people dying from using legal substances will go up slightly, simply because deaths attributed to illegal use would then be recategorized to be in this statistic.

    over all drug related (from what are currently labeled illegal drugs) deaths will decrease. Both from a lowered overdose potential as kandahar explained, and even more significantly the more common cause of death -drug related violence- will virtually evaporate

    2x, 3x?? please!... do we have 1/2 million or 1 million deaths a year from illegal drug abuse currently? Deaths from illegal drugs pale in comparison to tobacco related deaths alone. In the year 2000 there were 435,000 deaths attributed to tobacco alone, in the same year all illicit drug use, direct and indirect had 17,000 deaths attributed.

    A bit of realism instead of unsupportable exaggerated supposition would be appreciated.
    not like heroin and meth are good for the soul, so to speak
    when it is easily accessible, and the 'illegal stigma' is taken away, I see a surge in use
    more users increase the likelihood of more people dying from the drug, be it directly (OD) or indirectly (long term use affects)
    that is what i am thinking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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