"The essential change of the EFCA would be to allow the employees—rather than the employer—to decide whether to hold a secret-ballot election. If at least half of the work force signed cards saying it wanted a union, there would be a union—without the rigmarole of a full-blown election."
So the uniongoons (union doesn't exist as a distinct word when discussing labor - there's nothing civil about them) will have the cards listing the names of all the people who wanted the uniongoons in charge....and it will thus know the names of all the people who didn't want the uniongoons in place.
You can't see the fun potentialities for intimidation when the uniongoons have only 30% of the cards they need? No. Come on, you're just pretending you can't see that. Guaranteed that the uniongoons will be slashing tires, smashing windows, killing cats, phoning at 0300, scaring the kids...all the fun things the uniongoons do all the time to get their way.
So clearly EFCA is merely a road for the uniongoons to regain some needed intimidation traction to restore their sagging numbers.
Secret ballots...it's the American way for a reason.
It is already ILLEGAL for management to threaten to fire someone if they vote to join a union.Originally Posted by PeteEU
Of course they have a side. If this bill passes, then unions will be allowed to approach workers anywhere (including outside of work) to tell them how wonderful the union is, while management will have no opportunity at all to present their views.Originally Posted by PeteEU
The whole point of an election is for people to make a democratic choice between two alternatives. If your attitude towards elections are "the people I disagree with have no side and shouldn't be involved at all," then you are no democrat.
That situation already exists, that's the whole point of a secret ballot. This ELIMINATES the secret ballot, which means that the unions CAN intimidate the worker. If a union official passes out union cards and tells people to sign them in front of all their colleagues, that is NOT a free choice.Originally Posted by PeteEU
Unions are a monopoly of labor, and are no different than any other monopoly. They charge people uncompetitive prices for a crappier product simply because the customers (employers) don't have any other alternatives.Originally Posted by PeteEU
Of course we would've got there on our own without unions. Every nation goes through a sweatshop phase when it's developing. And every nation outgrows it once their economy is large enough.Originally Posted by PeteEU
If it's up to the employees, then you should be against a policy that will eliminate the secret ballot election and subject them to union intimidation.Originally Posted by PeteEU
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Card check opens the employee to be victimized by the uniongoons if he refuses to sign.
Secret ballots protect the employee from that intimidation.
Where's the problem?
Only the mother unions managed to create the wonderful workplaces we see today...
...except that the most dangerous places I've worked in were union dominated factories and shipyards, and the private non-unionized companies were more safety conscious because it cost them money to replace workers.
Workplace safety improved as the needed worker skills became more specialized and scarce.
Damn if that ain't just like blaming the european slave trader for hauling negros out of africa and pretending those slaves weren't sold by their own parents and families.
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Now, employees say, the forced choice has turned friend into foe, causing some employees to be threatened by coworkers who had wanted the union.
One employee said she was threatened for her choice.
"I have my reasons for the way that I voted. That's nobody else's business, and had it not been for the card check, nobody would know if I was for or against," said Beverly Musolf.
The UAW declined to give comment to FOX News on the employees' complaints.
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