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    White House and the RIAA

    Obama Sides With RIAA, Supports $150,000 Fine per Music Track | Threat Level from Wired.com
    Obama's DOJ Sides with RIAA

    Apparently when it comes to going after those evil music thieves, the Obama administration is just like the Bush administration. Two top officials in the new legal administrations are former RIAA lawyers, and the new administration says $175,000 per song stolen seems pretty fair.

    They can't find the world's top terrorists; if you rape someone, you won't necessarily be filing for chapter 11 anytime soon, but download an MP3 you didn't pay for and its curtains for the life you had as you know it.

    This is not the change I believe it. It's more big government being bought by industries who can't come up with a relevant business plan besides "sue everyone". This is why I am increasingly against big government... it is powerful, yet that power can be so easily bought.
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
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    Obama's DOJ Sides with RIAA ... _with_RIAA

    Apparently when it comes to going after those evil music thieves, the Obama administration is just like the Bush administration. Two top officials in the new legal administrations are former RIAA lawyers, and the new administration says $175,000 per song stolen seems pretty fair.

    They can't find the world's top terrorists; if you rape someone, you won't necessarily be filing for chapter 11 anytime soon, but download an MP3 you didn't pay for and its curtains for the life you had as you know it.

    This is not the change I believe it. It's more big government being bought by industries who can't come up with a relevant business plan besides "sue everyone". This is why I am increasingly against big government... it is powerful, yet that power can be so easily bought.
    If thats the way the want to do things, I will be in full support of movie/song "piracy."

    There has to be a limit to copyright protection.
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    While the punishment for copyright infringement should be > 99 cents, $150,000+ per song is outrageous, and completely ignores the idea of punishment fitting the crime. It is sickening.
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    While the punishment for copyright infringement should be... > 99 cents, $150,000+ per song is outrageous, and completely ignores the idea of punishment fitting the crime. It is sickening.
    ...zero per song.

    First, the internet was developed to "share".

    Second, ever hear of reel-to-reel, cassette or vcr tapes?

    The real crime here is the RIAA and the governments violation of right to privacy laws.

    If they want to protect their music or other forms of media, then encrypt/encode them so they can't be recorded or "shared".
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    I think the way digital rights are considered needs to be changed. It's not the same as property rights, where a fixed quantity of something material is being removed to the detriment of a private body. The digital realm is non-physical. The music industry is still fully functional and they even have mp3s for sale on itunes and other pay-per-download networks. It's not like downloading mp3s is really destroying their entire industry.

    In any case, I don't support the removal of the rights of everyone in order to protect a few companies. The digital information era is here... all non-physical media is subject to distribution. Why bother fighting it? We're becoming an information species.

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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I think the way digital rights are considered needs to be changed. It's not the same as property rights, where a fixed quantity of something material is being removed to the detriment of a private body. The digital realm is non-physical. The music industry is still fully functional and they even have mp3s for sale on itunes and other pay-per-download networks. It's not like downloading mp3s is really destroying their entire industry.

    In any case, I don't support the removal of the rights of everyone in order to protect a few companies. The digital information era is here... all non-physical media is subject to distribution. Why bother fighting it? We're becoming an information species.
    I agree. Information once released is public, no amount of whining and crying is going to change that.

    If you don't want someone to "pirate" it then don't release it.
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    IMO you cannot fight the free flow of data on the internet, there are far more people improving it than there are fighting it. The more DRM you put out, the more your business will suffer. Those who went DRM free profited. Old media needs to adapt or perish, Hulu for example was a very wise move.

    The internet changed everything, and lots of businesses are going to be wiped out because of it (think print media.) I honestly don't mind it all, I enjoy and prefer our advances.

    If by some miracle science produced a "duplication machine," I would support its use as well, regardless of how many energy, medicine and food companies it puts out of business who cry out for prohibition.

    The RIAA are middlemen who are simply being cut out, artists who have embraced the web like Trent Reznor and Oasis have profited, practically giving away their music for tips, by cutting out the RIAA and record labels. IMO most jobs are middlemen who need to be cut out, so those people can be put to work at actually producing something...

    This position by the Obama administration shows that in this way he is out of touch with CHANGE in this world. /rant_off
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    While the punishment for copyright infringement should be > 99 cents, $150,000+ per song is outrageous, and completely ignores the idea of punishment fitting the crime. It is sickening.
    I agree.This is absurd. Thats like executing someone who threw a paper cup on the ground.I sure hope Obama hasn't criticized any middle eastern countries for stoning rape victims and elderly people who talked to men,because that would make him look like the biggest hypocrite in the world.

    99 cents, $150,000+ per song is outrageous
    In my town you have Cox cable service you can get Cox rhapsody for 12 or 13 dollars a month for unlimited songs.So it is cheaper than 99 cents a song depending on the service you have.
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    ...zero per song.

    First, the internet was developed to "share".

    Second, ever hear of reel-to-reel, cassette or vcr tapes?

    The real crime here is the RIAA and the governments violation of right to privacy laws.

    If they want to protect their music or other forms of media, then encrypt/encode them so they can't be recorded or "shared".
    I wonder how many people made mix tapes or sat there there with a radio tape recorded and recorded their favorite songs off the radio?
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    Re: White House and the RIAA

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wonder how many people made mix tapes or sat there there with a radio tape recorded and recorded their favorite songs off the radio?
    It is the distribution system that is the problem. With tapes the amount of copies that can be made by the average person with average equipment is limited vs the internet where the same average person with average equipment can distribute on a mass scale.

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