Senate Democrats to scrap Obama's $400 tax credit

Kandahar said:

So did you honestly expect him to have fulfilled every single campaign promise he made within the first two months of his administration?

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nope. but you didn't think this strawman was really going to work, did you? :lol:

Kandahar said:

Regardless, I don't see where he promised to do this all in the first two months of his administration.

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The problem is, he made some promises during the campaign, regarding his behavior during his presidency, and these votes are happening now, during the early stages of his presidency. The "Sunlight Before Signing" promise from the campaign ? Out the window. Essentially, he did promise to NOT do a few things, during his whole presidency, and in the first two months of his administration, he has gone ahead and done them. Regarding the particular topic of the thread, I personally think that he has about 3 years to bring about that promised tax relief, for 95% of americans, as a net condition during his presidency. To clarify, he can't drop taxes on the way out the door and get credit for fulfilling the promise, but on the the other hand, if by the end of his first term, 95 % of americans have seen their taxes drop, then he can be said to have made good on that particular campaign promise. That could happen overall, even if this tax credit doesn't get in there in this first year, but it becomes less likely.

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Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

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RightinNYC said:

Senate Democrats to scrap Obama's $400 tax credit



So "cut taxes for 95% of Americans" actually meant "two-time stimulus payments for something more like 80% of Americans before we allow that and the Bush tax cuts to expire, thus raising taxes on the majority of people."

Hm.

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Considering the amount of spending this administration is making, it has to be made up somehow, which means raising taxes. A better approach would have been to not spend the money in the first place, then the tax cuts would be sustainable. In either case, I am sure that the banksters won't be suffering at all. They already got theirs.

QUOTE=Reverend_Hellh0und;1057974709]nope. but you didn't think this strawman was really going to work, did you? :lol:[/QUOTE]

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:

Yeah Right! "chillax"! They will let us know when critisizm of dear leader will be tolerated.

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It will be interesting to see what the time table for,"criticism of BARRY", is. I`m just going to go ahead and break the lefts policy of,"no bashing the dimoratic POTUS", and take my lumps as they come. BARRY is an idiot on all fronts... There.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

nope. but you didn't think this strawman was really going to work, did you? :lol:

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You're the one accusing me of being a Nazi for pointing out that Obama has only been in office for two months and may not have gotten around to every single point on his agenda just yet. :doh

Kandahar said:

Fair enough. However, this is one of several bullet points on that website. If he fulfills the other bullets, it is still possible to cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans. Regardless, I don't see where he promised to do this all in the first two months of his administration.

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I'm not saying he won't, and I'm not one of the people ragging on him for not fixing the world in 80 days. He's got plenty of time to do all the stuff he says he will. The only reason why this issue in particular is worth noting now is because the way the budgeting process works ensures that if it doesn't happen now, it won't happen for at least a year, and considering that the momentum from the election will be gone, it's a lot less likely to happen in the end.

Kandahar said:

You're the one accusing me of being a Nazi for pointing out that Obama has only been in office for two months and may not have gotten around to every single point on his agenda just yet. :doh

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uhm quote me where I accused you of being a "Nazi"..... :lol:



you people are like parrots, monkeying about the "2 months" talking points......

When is it appropriate to critisize chairman maobama? :lol:

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

uhm quote me where I accused you of being a "Nazi"..... :lol:

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I assume that your accusing me of not tolerating "critisizm" was more than just a mangling of a word a fourth grader could spell? :doh
If you weren't calling me a Nazi, then I really have no idea what you were trying to do there.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:

you people are like parrots, monkeying about the "2 months" talking points......

When is it appropriate to critisize chairman maobama? :lol:

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Depends on the issue. And it depends if you're criticizing him for doing something or for NOT doing something.

I plan to give him his entire term to establish a sustainable energy policy.
I plan to give him at least 2-3 years to restore sanity to our foreign policy and global reputation.
I plan to give him at least two years to make major alterations to the tax code, unrelated to the current economic crisis.
I plan to give him at least a year to get his health care agenda passed.
I plan to give him at least six months to increase development aid...especially to countries likely to be hot spots (Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen), but really to most countries in extreme poverty.
And I've already criticized him pretty vocally for waiting so long to develop a mediocre bank plan, for not doing more to prevent protectionism, and for saying he won't end the Cuban embargo or legalize marijuana.

Kandahar said:

I assume that your accusing me of not tolerating "critisizm" was more than just a mangling of a word a fourth grader could spell? :doh
If you weren't calling me a Nazi, then I really have no idea what you were trying to do there.

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Let see, you said I called you a Nazi. you were proven wrong.


No show me where I said that I expected him to do everything on his punch list.....


i'll wait. :lol:

Depends on the issue. And it depends if you're criticizing him for doing something or for NOT doing something.

I plan to give him his entire term to establish a sustainable energy policy.
I plan to give him at least 2-3 years to restore sanity to our foreign policy and global reputation.
I plan to give him at least two years to make major alterations to the tax code, unrelated to the current economic crisis.
I plan to give him at least a year to get his health care agenda passed.
I plan to give him at least six months to increase development aid...especially to countries likely to be hot spots (Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen), but really to most countries in extreme poverty.
And I've already criticized him pretty vocally for waiting so long to develop a mediocre bank plan, for not doing more to prevent protectionism, and for saying he won't end the Cuban embargo or legalize marijuana.

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So in other words, you can choose what to critisize him on, but if I do it, you will throw a fit?


Or is it that your strawman failed so miserably, you are hoping to hang on to a little credibility here? :lol:

winston53660 said:

Hopefully we are all making enough by then to afford some taxes.

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Did you even think before saying that, or do you really believe that stuff?

rudedog said:

Remember Bush 1 he said read my lips that he would not raise taxes in his campaign then raised them.That was good for 1 term,the next election the people dumped him.

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For 8 years of Bubba, who raised taxes as well.