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    Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Cant believe this is still going on. Dont people have anything better to do?

    Vandals Strike Berkeley Marine Recruiting Center . Category: News Updates from The Berkeley Daily Planet - Thursday March 19, 2009

    The United States Marine Corps Officer Selection Office in downtown Berkeley came under attack once again Wednesday night when a group of vandals broke the building’s windows with sledgehammers and splashed them with red paint.

    Officers at the recruiting center at 64 Shattuck Square were not able to say whether the incident was related to protests taking place throughout the rest of the country on the eve of the sixth anniversary of the Iraq war.

    Berkeley Police Department spokesperson Officer Andrew Frankel said the police received a call at 8:54 p.m. Wednesday from an eyewitness who reported that three suspects were breaking the Marine Corps office’s plate-glass windows and splashing them with red paint.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    It amazes me how hippy scum enjoy the freedoms of this nation but yet somehow seem to not appreciate the service of those in the military. Do these pieces of **** hippy scum not realize that without our military they would not be able to enjoy the freedoms they have, I am pretty sure that other countries are less tolerant of anti-military scum who vandalize recruiting stations.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It amazes me how hippy scum enjoy the freedoms of this nation but yet somehow seem to not appreciate the service of those in the military. Do these pieces of **** hippy scum not realize that without our military they would not be able to enjoy the freedoms they have, I am pretty sure that other countries are less tolerant of anti-military scum who vandalize recruiting stations.
    It amazes me how people can enjoy the cheap materials they have, but want to kick the workers who work for cheap out of our country.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It amazes me how hippy scum enjoy the freedoms of this nation but yet somehow seem to not appreciate the service of those in the military. Do these pieces of **** hippy scum not realize that without our military they would not be able to enjoy the freedoms they have, I am pretty sure that other countries are less tolerant of anti-military scum who vandalize recruiting stations.
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.
    Why does it matter, we are there now. We started that mess, now we have to clean it up.

    Argue all you want before the war, and after the war is over. But when we are in a conflict shut up and support our solders.

    Hell, i am no fan of the way the Iraq war sttarted or turned out. I am sure once we are out there will be many studies about how it was wrong and the many mistakes that were made.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It amazes me how hippy scum enjoy the freedoms of this nation but yet somehow seem to not appreciate the service of those in the military. Do these pieces of **** hippy scum not realize that without our military they would not be able to enjoy the freedoms they have, I am pretty sure that other countries are less tolerant of anti-military scum who vandalize recruiting stations.
    Yes, like china they just run over their dissidents with tanks.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    Why does it matter, we are there now. We started that mess, now we have to clean it up.

    Argue all you want before the war, and after the war is over. But when we are in a conflict shut up and support our solders.
    I'm not in disagreement... I mainly broguht it up because all anti-war protestors were being labelled as hippies. That simply isn't the case. There are legitimate reasons to protest the war. I don't support vandalism or destruction of private property, however.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.
    Cohen of the Clinton Administration warned about Saddam.
    The House and Senate made grand speeches about his threat in 1998.

    16 UN Resolutions sends a message we are weak.
    That posed dangers.

    But let's focus ion Iraq.

    David Kay, a weapons expert/scientist testifying under oath to the Senate Armed Service Committee.

    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
    I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein. I have said I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought.

    I think when we have the complete record you're going to discover that after 1998 it became a regime that was totally corrupt. Individuals were out for their own protection. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country than even we anticipated with what may turn out not to be a fully accurate estimate.
    What I don't know over time, and I'm more and more struck with, is how corrupt and destructive that society had become. But you can't count on when it would fall apart. And it might fall apart in ways that are far more dangerous. So I think that is a safe assumption.
    But do you consider that to have been a real risk in terms of Saddam's activities and these programs -- the risk of proliferation?

    KAY: Actually, I consider it a bigger risk. And that's why I paused on the preceding questions. I consider that a bigger risk than the restart of his programs being successful.

    KAY: I think the way the society was going, and the number of willing buyers in the market, that that probably was a risk that if we did avoid, we barely avoided.
    KAY: Senator Levin, I don't think that is a fair -- my memory -- and I don't have the documents in front of me. I do not think that is a fair characterization of the intelligence reports and judgments prior to 2001.

    And I refer you again -- if you go back to Secretary Cohen's testimony before this committee, Secretary Cohen, in the Clinton administration, was not referring to anthrax that might be produced in some reconstituted program. He was referring to actual weapons.

    I think...

    LEVIN: Which Iraq had at one point?

    We've gone back to at least look at his part that we were able to get on Secretary Cohen, which was an interview on a TV station.

    KAY: But there was also testimony.

    LEVIN: Yes. And it seems from this, he's talking about what they had in the early '90s and what we caught him with and what that anthrax can do and what we destroyed. That's what he was talking about in that interview.

    Are you saying he came before this committee -- I don't...

    (CROSSTALK)

    KAY: I'm going to go back and look. My memory is it was this committee; it may not have been this committee.

    LEVIN: But you're saying that Secretary Cohen said: In our judgment, they've got anthrax. They are producing anthrax. And here, this bag of 5 pounds is what they can do.

    That's what you're saying today?

    KAY: My memory is that in holding that 5-pound bag and talking about how much destruction that could do, he made reference to Iraq having those capabilities...
    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    Why does it matter, we are there now. We started that mess, now we have to clean it up.

    Argue all you want before the war, and after the war is over. But when we are in a conflict shut up and support our solders.

    Hell, i am no fan of the way the Iraq war sttarted or turned out. I am sure once we are out there will be many studies about how it was wrong and the many mistakes that were made.
    Every war has mistakes.
    This war is one where we had to fight cowards that dressed like civilians, used civilians as shields, used Mosques, schools and hospitals as points of attack.

    I don't think it was wrong, considering the howling about "connect the dots" post 911, the ease of which anthrax is produced and can be distributed, and the fact Saddam had violated UN Res. 687 and 1441 with regularity.

    He wanted to reconstitute his weapons program. Nobody doubts this. During the Clinton years the French were pushing hard to get the whole enchilada dropped. That would have been a massive error... Saddam seems to have been waiting the US out, and had the corrupt UN in his pocket... so he thought... Oil for Food billions.

    Then there is the old line from the Left, "Bush 41 should have gone into Baghdad" at the end of Gulf War 1. But that wasn't in the official cards; his mandate was to get the Iraqi's out of Kuwait, nothing more.

    Saddam lost that war and then did not live up to his agreement to disarm. Instead he shot at our planes in the NFZ on almost a daily basis.

    WE stopped a Nuke black market (AQ Kahn) and got Libya's Nuke program.

    All benefits of Iraq.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.
    Thank you. This business of talking like our freedoms would be nonexistent or are in jeopardy if it weren't for our troops fighting for us is just plain ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Thank you. This business of talking like our freedoms would be nonexistent or are in jeopardy if it weren't for our troops fighting for us is just plain ridiculous.
    Funny i thought that failing holding up UN mandates was an acceptable reason for invasion.

    He did sign a peace treaty, and then broke it.
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