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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Past troops, yes. Current troops, no.

    What you don't get, and think about this now. Present troops, are the barrier keeping your freedom. Whether you agree or not with the current wars, you must see that these same troops are your first line defense of your freedom.

    I would also argue that Afghanistan is a war protecting your freedoms, directly. Read Osama's letter to America.

    My point is that I don't think people who vandalize (which I find reprehensible) or protest the war are essentially saying, "F you" to our troops. I doubt this has anything to do with our troops and how these people feel about people who serve our country.

    Sure they are. Don't you remember they called us murderers, rapists, and drug addicts. Remember billo? He had called me a murderer numerous times and I wasn't even in THIS Iraq war, (I was in the last one). Joe hill, and several others. Recently the tone has subsided around here on that. But still it was there. These dirtbags were attacking the military and the troops. There are better ways of protesting.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    The Daily show did a good job on these nuts.....

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What you don't get, and think about this now. Present troops, are the barrier keeping your freedom. Whether you agree or not with the current wars, you must see that these same troops are your first line defense of your freedom.
    I hadn't thought of it that way. You are right! ( Did I really write that? )

    I would also argue that Afghanistan is a war protecting your freedoms, directly. Read Osama's letter to America.
    I hadn't thought about arguing this stance. I agree--one could argue that Afghanistan is a war protecting our freedoms, but my gut says my freedoms are not threatened by this war. This is, of course, my opinion.


    Sure they are. Don't you remember they called us murderers, rapists, and drug addicts. Remember billo? He had called me a murderer numerous times and I wasn't even in THIS Iraq war, (I was in the last one). Joe hill, and several others. Recently the tone has subsided around here on that. But still it was there. These dirtbags were attacking the military and the troops. There are better ways of protesting.
    You may be right. I am putting sanity into insanity, which may the problem we both having in arguing that there are better ways of protesting. These protesters are nutjobs/stupid.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I hadn't thought of it that way. You are right! ( Did I really write that? )

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    I hadn't thought about arguing this stance. I agree--one could argue that Afghanistan is a war protecting our freedoms, but my gut says my freedoms are not threatened by this war. This is, of course, my opinion.

    I would argue that by attacking us and our away of life AQ was attempting to curtail some of your freedoms. See Osama's letter to America. the Taliban protected them. They chose poorly.



    You may be right. I am putting sanity into insanity, which may the problem we both having in arguing that there are better ways of protesting. These protesters are nutjobs/stupid.


    Indeed they are.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Thank you. This business of talking like our freedoms would be nonexistent or are in jeopardy if it weren't for our troops fighting for us is just plain ridiculous.
    Troops, not journalists or protesters are responsible for protecting our Rights.

    Their blood, their sacrifice, their honor.
    Known and unknown heroes.
    Heroes that some folks have no idea what they accomplished in secrecy.

    Had somebody told you some Islamo-fascists masquerading as students would seek to fly planes into strategic targets and have a 75% success rate, you would have called me nuts.

    These people laughed when they found out thousands died.
    They HOPED for more.

    It is the soldiers beating back and trying to marginalize these freaks that keeps us safe from attack. Military and intel working inside these countries is the new basis to get foot soldier intel. A valuable resource we lacked before getting hit. Thank The Church Hearings for setting that measure of NATIONAL SECURITY BLINDNESS. Gorelick wrote a harmful bit of law too, that cannot be forgotten.

    That intel helped us make up three decades of idiocy... in a hurry.

    So, we have the military fighting terrorists on their turf.
    We've won that battle.
    We have established valuable intel sources and resources in the ME that were non-existent beforehand.
    We have two young democracies, former enemies, now allies.
    We have not been hit since 911 at home.
    As the saying goes, they only have to get lucky once.

    The military my friend is always responsible for our freedoms.
    Whether it is from "peace through strength", a deterrent, or by vanquishing our enemies... it doesn't matter. It is always the military.

    God Bless them too.
    Unselfish love of country, doing a job most would never be able to hack.
    They are the very best of America.

    Your party's treatment and ridicule of them is nothing short of unPatriotic.
    You folks actually aided and abetted the enemy, while the troops were on the battle field protecting your right to be ridiculous.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.
    This has nothing to do with the fact marines recruit, are you trying to argue that the military stops recruiting and that there are no standing armies when there are no wars. These scum who target recruiting stations are ungrateful pieces of ****.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    Why does it matter, we are there now. We started that mess, now we have to clean it up.

    Argue all you want before the war, and after the war is over. But when we are in a conflict shut up and support our solders.

    Hell, i am no fan of the way the Iraq war sttarted or turned out. I am sure once we are out there will be many studies about how it was wrong and the many mistakes that were made.
    Idiotic at best, horribly unpatriotic at worst. Stamp out dissent against the government....because we are at war!!?? Do you take 1984 as a playbook? It was meant as warning. The war in Iraq was unjust, not only did Iraq have nothing to do with 9/11 they posed no threat to the United States. Furthermore, our government was never granted the ability to "spread democracy". Not our goal, other people can have whatever form of government they want so long as they do not threaten or attack the sovereignty of the People.

    You don't hold off dissent when something bad is going down. If it's bad, then it's bad and needs to stop. Shut up and support the troops....it's America and I can say as I want. And why does support of the troops only come through support of the war? I don't want to sacrifice American soldiers for things which are not American freedom and liberty. The commitment they have made to this country can not be taken lightly and must be respected. Thus we should only use our military for just means, to do otherwise is an insult.

    We broke it, we buy it...that's bull****. We've busted lots of things and then gotten the hell out of dodge. If the government is acting improperly, you don't sit and wait for them to finish before you dissent...you get out there and dissent right away. Telling us we can't dissent against the government in time of war....my goodness! How much further off the mark could one get?
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

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    Idiotic at best, horribly unpatriotic at worst. Stamp out dissent against the government....because we are at war!!??
    Who stamped out desent?
    Nobody.
    We opposed the Left's idiocy, but didn't stop you from exhibiting it.

    Do you take 1984 as a playbook? It was meant as warning. The war in Iraq was unjust, not only did Iraq have nothing to do with 9/11 they posed no threat to the United States.
    We weren't attacked by Germany either.
    Saddam lost Gulf War 1. He signed on to disarm, not fight a slow cook battle and play games with disarmament that went on for 12-years.

    He kicked out Clouseau and the other Inspecteurs of the Sorte (UN).


    He was given one last chance. He did not take it.
    The war was not only just, Democrat Senators begged for a second vote to show support.

    All intel agencies in the world said he had WMD, including the UN.


    Furthermore, our government was never granted the ability to "spread democracy". Not our goal, other people can have whatever form of government they want so long as they do not threaten or attack the sovereignty of the People.
    Saddam did attack sovereign people and the UN mandated we get his ass out. We did. Then we had to finish the job.
    He also tried to assassinate a former President.

    David Kay believed he was a greater threat than anticipated because the country was ripe for a terrorist/WMD transaction.

    You don't hold off dissent when something bad is going down. If it's bad, then it's bad and needs to stop. Shut up and support the troops....it's America and I can say as I want.
    Thank the troops for your rant and your party's inexplicable behavior.

    And why does support of the troops only come through support of the war?
    Let's say the team is in the game.
    You want them to win... then at a minimum don't aid and abet the enemy... or piss in our troops faces.
    I don't want to sacrifice American soldiers for things which are not American freedom and liberty.
    Congress and the President deemed it was worthy.
    Call your representative.

    The commitment they have made to this country can not be taken lightly and must be respected. Thus we should only use our military for just means, to do otherwise is an insult.
    The people find folks like you disrespectful, and that is the diplomatic response.
    They enlisted and believe in what they are doing.

    We broke it, we buy it...that's bull****. We've busted lots of things and then gotten the hell out of dodge. If the government is acting improperly, you don't sit and wait for them to finish before you dissent...you get out there and dissent right away.
    Actions have consequences. As does inaction.

    In this connection
    it is well to bear in mind a point that
    is often overlooked, a point on which
    Clausewitz insists in a singularly convincing
    passage namely, the fact that
    one of the main objects of a nation
    waging war is to force the enemy's
    population into a state of mind favourable
    to submission. This fact is sufficient
    proof of the importance of public opinion
    being well informed not only as to the
    course of events, but also as to the
    principles that give to these events their
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    Your party leaders, a disgusting lot, lead their party faithful down a twisted road.
    You actually voted for the war, and then turned your backs on our troops.
    The least you could have done is not scream indignation so the enemy would draw strength.
    Have propaganda victories.
    Have daily material to pump up their idiots.
    The daily body count as just one example... was a daily supply of vitality for the kooks.
    Cindy Sheehan.
    Durbin. Obama. Kerry. Murtha.
    Our own... our own.

    You chose otherwise.
    You have to live with those actions and their consequences; the blood of our troops on your hands.

    Telling us we can't dissent against the government in time of war....my goodness! How much further off the mark could one get?
    Nobody told you you cannot.
    Only it has consequences... for our troops.
    Enemies love it when the opponents society is crapping on the troops and government.

    And for what reason?
    Why?

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Please prove that pre-2004 Iraq was a threat to American freedoms.
    Please prove that WWII Japan was not a threat to the US.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Blah blah blah blah What this has to do with our freedoms is beyond me.
    Blah blah blah blah, what you know about our freedoms could be written on your pinky in 14 pt font.
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