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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis.
    I thought it was funny how they were talking about free speech while trying to shut the marines up and drive them out of town.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the sad thing about that video while funny at the same times is that the hippies, code pink and other pussyfist(pussy+pacifist,yeah I know it is basically saying the same thing twice) actually believe what they are saying.
    While they do firmly believe what they are saying, it's obvious that very little thought goes into it. They are far more interested in promoting their own views than seeing things from other perspectives that may differ from their own. I guess that's why they are called extremists, though.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I thought it was funny how they were talking about free speech while trying to shut the marines up and drive them out of town.
    I'd love to see what their definition of free speech actually is.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This. folks, is a prime example of misdirection and obfuscation.

    Your thoughts about the war in Iraq does nothing to lessen the validity of expressing outrage at the vandalization of this recruiting office.

    Can't blame you for saying that. If I was guilty of practicing hypocrisy I'd try to hide behind empty claims of obfuscation as well. Either that or stone up and admit I hold a double standard.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Hell no I didn't read the whole thing...even if you wanted to your enlistment would be over by the time you finished. It's like a metro phonebook for NYC, LA, Tokyo, and Russia all wrapped in one.
    Here are some of the forms you have signed.

    http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/i...rms/dd0004.pdf



    Saying "it's in the contract" is no less silly than when slaveowners justified having slaves and serfs by pointing to a "contract."
    This is an absurd comparison.You are not under ownership of anyone,you are compensated with a monthly wage, your room and board are practically taken care of even if you live off post so it is less money you have to use from your pay to pay for those things,you have free medical and dental and you least get a 100-200 dollars(this was over 5 years ago) a year that goes towards(I say goes towards because depending on MOS you may need more than a 100-200 dollars for uniforms and boots) paying for more uniforms and boots.
    Plus if you read your history books you would know that practically all slaves couldn't read. Those joining the military must at least have a high school diploma or equivalent or be in highschool and pass a ASVAB test.So those entering the military must be able to display some form of intellegence and be able to read at the same time.

    It's not called a "back-door draft" for nothing.
    It isn't a back door draft, it is right on your contract.One of the main forms you sign dd form 4/1, on the back of it states stop loss and all that other stuff. You should be able to look at your copy of dd form 4/1 and see this on the back of one of it.

    10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
    DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
    AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
    GUARD.
    a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
    serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
    otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
    service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
    part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
    Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
    a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
    agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
    by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
    ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
    duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
    beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
    discussed in the following paragraphs.
    b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
    while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
    may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
    for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
    c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
    time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
    may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
    entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
    end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
    this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)

    d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
    Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
    President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
    active duty, and my military service may be extended without
    my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
    U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
    period without my consent (see paragraph 10g).
    e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
    and without my consent, be ordered to active duty to complete
    a total of 24 months of active duty, and my enlistment may be
    extended so I can complete the total of 24 months of active
    duty, if:
    (1) I am not assigned to, or participating unsatisfactorily in,
    a unit of the Ready Reserve; and
    (2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
    (3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
    months (10 U.S.C. 12303).
    f. As a member of the Selected Reserve or as a member
    of the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category, when
    the President determines that it is necessary to augment the
    active forces for any operational mission or for certain
    emergencies, I may, without my consent, be ordered to active
    duty for not more than 365 days (10 U.S.C. 12304). My
    enlistment may be extended during this period without my
    consent (see paragraph 10g).
    g. During any period members of a Reserve component
    are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty
    under authority of 10 U.S.C. 12301, 12302, or 12304, the
    President may suspend any provision of law relating to my
    promotion, retirement, or separation from the Armed Forces if
    he or his designee determines I am essential to the national
    security of the United States. Such an action may result in an
    extension, without my consent, of the length of service
    specified in this agreement. Such an extension is often called
    a "stop-loss" extension (10 U.S.C. 12305).
    h. I may, without my consent, be ordered to perform
    additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I
    have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any
    year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the
    failure occurs during the last year of my required membership
    in the Ready Reserves, my enlistment may be extended until I
    perform that additional duty, but not for more than six months
    (10 U.S.C. 10148).
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis.



    That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?
    A hippie.

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?



    Note all the people agreeing with you. Oh wait.
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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis.



    That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?

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    Re: Marine recruiting station under attack... again

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Here are some of the forms you have signed.

    http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/i...rms/dd0004.pdf





    This is an absurd comparison.You are not under ownership of anyone,you are compensated with a monthly wage, your room and board are practically taken care of even if you live off post so it is less money you have to use from your pay to pay for those things,you have free medical and dental and you least get a 100-200 dollars(this was over 5 years ago) a year that goes towards(I say goes towards because depending on MOS you may need more than a 100-200 dollars for uniforms and boots) paying for more uniforms and boots.
    Plus if you read your history books you would know that practically all slaves couldn't read. Those joining the military must at least have a high school diploma or equivalent or be in highschool and pass a ASVAB test.So those entering the military must be able to display some form of intellegence and be able to read at the same time.



    It isn't a back door draft, it is right on your contract.One of the main forms you sign dd form 4/1, on the back of it states stop loss and all that other stuff. You should be able to look at your copy of dd form 4/1 and see this on the back of one of it.

    10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
    DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
    AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
    GUARD.
    a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
    serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
    otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
    service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
    part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
    Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
    a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
    agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
    by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
    ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
    duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
    beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
    discussed in the following paragraphs.
    b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
    while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
    may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
    for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
    c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
    time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
    may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
    entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
    end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
    this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)

    d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
    Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
    President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
    active duty, and my military service may be extended without
    my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
    U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
    period without my consent (see paragraph 10g).
    e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
    and without my consent, be ordered to active duty to complete
    a total of 24 months of active duty, and my enlistment may be
    extended so I can complete the total of 24 months of active
    duty, if:
    (1) I am not assigned to, or participating unsatisfactorily in,
    a unit of the Ready Reserve; and
    (2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
    (3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
    months (10 U.S.C. 12303).
    f. As a member of the Selected Reserve or as a member
    of the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category, when
    the President determines that it is necessary to augment the
    active forces for any operational mission or for certain
    emergencies, I may, without my consent, be ordered to active
    duty for not more than 365 days (10 U.S.C. 12304). My
    enlistment may be extended during this period without my
    consent (see paragraph 10g).
    g. During any period members of a Reserve component
    are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty
    under authority of 10 U.S.C. 12301, 12302, or 12304, the
    President may suspend any provision of law relating to my
    promotion, retirement, or separation from the Armed Forces if
    he or his designee determines I am essential to the national
    security of the United States. Such an action may result in an
    extension, without my consent, of the length of service
    specified in this agreement. Such an extension is often called
    a "stop-loss" extension (10 U.S.C. 12305).
    h. I may, without my consent, be ordered to perform
    additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I
    have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any
    year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the
    failure occurs during the last year of my required membership
    in the Ready Reserves, my enlistment may be extended until I
    perform that additional duty, but not for more than six months
    (10 U.S.C. 10148).

    Being paid a wage doesn't mean slavery cannot be present as some slaves and serfs have been paid while enslaved. Also, not all signed contracts are legal so the excuse of "the contract is voluntarily signed!" fails to recognize there is an entire division of the legal world where lawyers and courts focus specifically on the legality of contracts.

    Finally, it's somewhat strange because it seems many who keep screaming "contract" are also the same groups that ignore the fact the Bush admin broke the law with invading iraq. So in one arena, the letter of the contract is paramount, but in a different arena, the legality of contracts are irrelevent.

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