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    Trade barriers rise due to recession

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/wo...e.html?_r=1&hp

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    After repeated pledges by world leaders to avoid erecting trade barriers, protectionism is on the march, provoking nasty trade disputes and undermining efforts to plot a coordinated response to the deepest global economic downturn since World War II.

    From a looming battle with China over tariffs on carbon-intensive goods to a spat over Mexican trucks using American roads, barriers are going up around the world. As the recession’s grip tightens, these pressures are likely to intensify, several experts said.

    The surge in protectionism is casting a shadow over an economic summit meeting of world leaders scheduled for London on April 2. At the last such gathering, in Washington in November, former President George W. Bush persuaded the Group of 20 members to commit to protecting free trade — whatever the pressures caused by faltering economies and lost jobs. The members include industrialized and developing nations, and the European Union.

    “No sooner was the G-20 statement issued than it was breached,” said Daniel M. Price, an official in the Bush administration who helped negotiate the agreement. “Instead of just talking about trade liberalization, countries need to take immediate steps to show they mean it.”
    In trying to preserve internal economy, worldwide free trade is being continuously degraded. Perhaps this is one of the unforseen consequences of globalization: during times of recession, the global market gets hit harder than ever before. The "Buy American" policy put forth by Democratic Congress is one such example of what countries all around the world are currently doing.

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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Let’s look at what is leading the charge on protectionist policies; oh yeah, it’s Mr. Obama and his false populist union protectionist fear mongering!

    The most vivid example of that policy is the “Buy America” provision in the stimulus package, intended to ensure that only American manufacturers benefited from public-spending projects. The Obama administration persuaded Congress to water it down, and Mr. Obama has taken up Mr. Bush’s warnings about the dangers of protectionism.

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    Mr. Obama signed a $40 billion spending bill that scrapped a program enabling Mexican trucks to haul cargo over long distances on American roads. Mexico retaliated by imposing duties on $2.4 billion worth of American goods — everything from pencils to toilet paper. The trucking dispute has its roots in the North American Free Trade Agreement, or Nafta, which guaranteed Mexico, Canada and the United States access to one another’s highways for cargo transport by 2000.

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    “A lot of people are worried that U.S. protectionism is going to take a green face,” said Trevor Houser, an expert in energy and climate issues at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.
    Given Mr. Obama’s ambiguous positions on trade during the campaign — he favored renegotiating Nafta — economists praise him for holding the fort against protectionism so far. But as stimulus programs begin to take hold, they could encourage consumers to buy more imported goods, further fanning antitrade sentiment.


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    “The U.S. is in such great danger of backing away from free trade,” said Kenneth S. Rogoff, a professor of economics at Harvard. “The next two years could be a disaster for free trade.”

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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Mr. Obama signed a $40 billion spending bill that scrapped a program enabling Mexican trucks to haul cargo over long distances on American roads. Mexico retaliated by imposing duties on $2.4 billion worth of American goods — everything from pencils to toilet paper. The trucking dispute has its roots in the North American Free Trade Agreement, or Nafta, which guaranteed Mexico, Canada and the United States access to one another’s highways for cargo transport by 2000.
    This is complete bull****. This is nothing more than Obama repaying the Teamsters for their money & votes.

    We've now pissed off Mexico:

    The Mexican government said Monday it would slap tariffs on 90 U.S. industrial and agricultural products, in a trade dispute that underscored the difficulties facing President Barack Obama as he tries to assure business and global allies that he favors free trade.

    And rightly so. We have a good trade agreement in place with Canada & Mexico, and once again, unions are screwing up a good thing.

    The Teamsters are screaming about the safety of Mexican trucks, yet their safety record is better than that of our own truckers.

    • Since 1995, the federal government has spent $500 million to improve border inspection facilities and hire 600 new inspectors.
    • All Mexican trucks entering the United States must meet all U.S. safety and security requirements
    • Mexican truck drivers must meet U.S. licensing and safety requirements, without exception.
    • All 22 safety mandates required previously by Congress related to Mexican trucking have been met by the Department of Transportation.
    • Mexican trucks in the program have a better safety record than their American counterparts

    Members of Congress should stop confusing this blatant scare mongering about “road safety” with the real issue: American truckers’ fears about the safety of their jobs and lawmakers’ fears about losing Teamster votes.

    Teamsters scare mongering on NAFTA & Mexican Trucks | Mexico Trucker Online
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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    This is complete bull****. This is nothing more than Obama repaying the Teamsters for their money & votes.

    We've now pissed off Mexico:

    The Mexican government said Monday it would slap tariffs on 90 U.S. industrial and agricultural products, in a trade dispute that underscored the difficulties facing President Barack Obama as he tries to assure business and global allies that he favors free trade.

    And rightly so. We have a good trade agreement in place with Canada & Mexico, and once again, unions are screwing up a good thing.

    The Teamsters are screaming about the safety of Mexican trucks, yet their safety record is better than that of our own truckers.

    • Since 1995, the federal government has spent $500 million to improve border inspection facilities and hire 600 new inspectors.
    • All Mexican trucks entering the United States must meet all U.S. safety and security requirements
    • Mexican truck drivers must meet U.S. licensing and safety requirements, without exception.
    • All 22 safety mandates required previously by Congress related to Mexican trucking have been met by the Department of Transportation.
    • Mexican trucks in the program have a better safety record than their American counterparts

    Members of Congress should stop confusing this blatant scare mongering about “road safety” with the real issue: American truckers’ fears about the safety of their jobs and lawmakers’ fears about losing Teamster votes.

    Teamsters scare mongering on NAFTA & Mexican Trucks | Mexico Trucker Online
    Agreed; and unfortunately we had all better get used to it. The Obama administration may go down in history as one of the most inept in the history of the United States.

    That stated; I expect much more of the same inept foreign policy, trade policy and economic policy. It is like the country is being run by a bunch of high school kids.

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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Agreed; and unfortunately we had all better get used to it. The Obama administration may go down in history as one of the most inept in the history of the United States.

    That stated; I expect much more of the same inept foreign policy, trade policy and economic policy. It is like the country is being run by a bunch of high school kids.
    Thanks for ruining a perfectly good thread, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Thanks for ruining a perfectly good thread, as usual.
    They tend to do that.

    Anyways, I was always a bit hesitant about the whole Mexican driver issue. Do their trucks meet our safety standards? How about their driver's experience?
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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    They tend to do that.

    Anyways, I was always a bit hesitant about the whole Mexican driver issue. Do their trucks meet our safety standards? How about their driver's experience?
    Gottahurt already answered that question. Perhaps, instead of summarily dismissing his post you should deign to read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    This is complete bull****. This is nothing more than Obama repaying the Teamsters for their money & votes.

    We've now pissed off Mexico:

    The Mexican government said Monday it would slap tariffs on 90 U.S. industrial and agricultural products, in a trade dispute that underscored the difficulties facing President Barack Obama as he tries to assure business and global allies that he favors free trade.

    And rightly so. We have a good trade agreement in place with Canada & Mexico, and once again, unions are screwing up a good thing.

    The Teamsters are screaming about the safety of Mexican trucks, yet their safety record is better than that of our own truckers.

    • Since 1995, the federal government has spent $500 million to improve border inspection facilities and hire 600 new inspectors.
    • All Mexican trucks entering the United States must meet all U.S. safety and security requirements
    • Mexican truck drivers must meet U.S. licensing and safety requirements, without exception.
    • All 22 safety mandates required previously by Congress related to Mexican trucking have been met by the Department of Transportation.
    • Mexican trucks in the program have a better safety record than their American counterparts

    Members of Congress should stop confusing this blatant scare mongering about “road safety” with the real issue: American truckers’ fears about the safety of their jobs and lawmakers’ fears about losing Teamster votes.

    Teamsters scare mongering on NAFTA & Mexican Trucks | Mexico Trucker Online

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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    With the 20 million plus illegals in this country and most of whom are from Mexico, **** Mexico. Worrying about whether or not we piss off Mexico is not one of my worries. We need to start making our own things. Screw sellouts in office who toss the salad of globalist scum. We need to worry about ourselves, not whether or not Mexico will stop making our growing **** for us.
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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post

    In trying to preserve internal economy, worldwide free trade is being continuously degraded. Perhaps this is one of the unforseen consequences of globalization: during times of recession, the global market gets hit harder than ever before. The "Buy American" policy put forth by Democratic Congress is one such example of what countries all around the world are currently doing.
    I don't know if is unforseen, as much as it is an inevitable consequence.

    I see the NAFTA like a baby-pool in comparison to the E.U., almost like an experiment, which seems to be failing at this point in time. Mexico and America's economies are having a hell of a time assimilating, in the manner of France and Germany.

    Anything that the United States does that looks remotely protectionist, and supposedly within the confines of NAFTA, will look as if the U.S. is trying to eat the Mexican economy; sorta how some anti-EU advocates suggest that the EU has plotted Germany as the pac-man and Eastern Europe as those little blinking dots.
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    Re: Trade barriers rise due to recession

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    With the 20 million plus illegals in this country and most of whom are from Mexico, **** Mexico. Worrying about whether or not we piss off Mexico is not one of my worries. We need to start making our own things. Screw sellouts in office who toss the salad of globalist scum. We need to worry about ourselves, not whether or not Mexico will stop making our growing **** for us.
    Got a plan for how this will work, or would you rather just offer an angry, bile-filled rant?

    Let me know how happy you are when you're paying 5 times as much in labor costs for everything you get, and how great American manufacturing is doing when we can't export anything. That's not the path to success.
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