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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    air is also a right then .. how about sunlight?
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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Even though bottled water is still part of the larger privatization problem, I think consumer choices can still mitigate its impact; when it comes to water bills and purified water, I also have no qualms because you are paying for a service. My main concern is corporations being given the license to own a lake or a river, preventing public access.

    For instance, if I decide to collect my own water and purify it myself, the privatization of lakes and rivers would prevent that. What happens when governments, under NAFTA, begin giving corporations permits to drain lakes and transport water away from entire regions for their own private profit? This is what I'm against. It has environmental as well as socioeconomic consequences.

    We already saw the consequences of the Aral Sea in Russia. North America has most of the world's fresh water... if we are not careful with the resources we have, they will be squandered away by greed like everything else.

    Let water companies continue billing us for their services, but let the lakes and streams themselves remain public property.

    Antartica has most of the world's fresh water.

    The draining of the Aral Sea was the consequence of socialism, not capitalism.

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
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    The U.S. blocked the "right" amendment because it wants water to eventually become a commodity. The U.S. is currently experiencing forseeable water shortages across the board. Under NAFTA, it could legally begin transferring water from the Great Lakes (shared by Canada) to other area of the U.S., even via corporate means, for resale.

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Define "fair share".

    Therein lies the problem.
    Well, 'fair share' was a term I tossed out. 'Reasonable use' probably would have been a better phrase.

    And again, there's really nothing new about this problem. It's been a heated issue for as long as people have been around. These type of problems and conflicts are exactly what our judicial system was created for. And that's why we have so many lawyers.

    Water Right in water law refers to the right of a user to use water from a water source, e.g., a river, stream, pond or source of groundwater. In areas with plentiful water and few users, such systems are generally not complicated or contentious. In other areas, especially arid areas where irrigation is practiced, such systems are often the source of conflict, both legal and physical. Some systems treat surface water and ground water in the same manner, while others use different principles for each.
    Water Rights

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The U.S. blocked the "right" amendment because it wants water to eventually become a commodity.
    Water IS a commodity.

    The U.S. is currently experiencing forseeable water shortages across the board. Under NAFTA, it could legally begin transferring water from the Great Lakes (shared by Canada) to other area of the U.S., even via corporate means, for resale.
    So... what?

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Dear Sir:

    Your account is 3 days delinquent. We would love to keep providing service to you, but your bill must be paid. Otherwise, we will have no choice but to disconnect your service. We accept MasterCard and Visa, so call one of the registered pay stations, and pay the amount you are behind. After paying your balance, call us with the receipt number, so that we won't have to issue a disconnect order.

    Have a nice day,
    How is this different than what your city does when you dont pay your water bill?

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    My main concern is corporations being given the license to own a lake or a river, preventing public access.
    My family used to own a lake; it was part of my grandfather's business.
    We had no right to restrict the public access to that lake?

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    My family used to own a lake; it was part of my grandfather's business.
    We had no right to restrict the public access to that lake?
    No, and the UN says so.
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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    water is a not a human right, it is a commodity or good that takes man power to collect it and transport it properly, that is why no one is entitled to water. If you can cut the labor costs than it may be a right, but water most definetly takes labor to extract it properly.

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    Re: Water not recognized as a human right

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    My family used to own a lake; it was part of my grandfather's business.
    We had no right to restrict the public access to that lake?
    If the lake or pond is fully contained within your property, the public would not normally have any right to access it... unless there was some easement granted.

    But if that lake is part of a ground-water system shared by other property owners, or fed by a stream or river, or spills streams or rivers onto the property of adjacent landowners, then the water in the lake is governed by Water Rights. In other words, your use of the water in the lake must be reasonable and consider the rights of other users.

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