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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fine, but they should loose their accreditation. If you're gonna hand out bogus degrees, you shouldn't be an accredited university.

    As for the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing....could you imagine how many people, even those who just passed and supported this bill, would be pissed off...ranting and raving pissed off if something like that happened. It could prove very entertaining.
    Actually, things are pretty entertaining right now.
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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

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    Why not get a degree in Astrology while your at it?
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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The whole point is that accreditation is the standard, and to grant it for an institution that lacks the merit cheapens the value of those who went to a proper university in Texas.

    This should be opposed because it gives credibility to the credulous.
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    Yes and no. If the Texas Education organization is forced to certify what amounts to a diploma mill then it essentially renders that overall certification worthless. While it would be obvious to many that the fake science I mean Creationist 'science' is worthless, it does open the door for other diploma mills to operate rendering actual graduate degrees on par with a piece of paper you get for sending a check.
    Nobody is trying to force Texas to grant them accreditation or to certify them in any way. The conflict is over the fact that TX has a law saying that no institution can grant any degree unless it's accredited by a TX institution. This bill is proposing to remove that requirement for schools that don't receive any government funding.

    I don't think it's necessarily a good idea, but it's less about religious intrusion and more about governmental involvement.
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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right. Step right up, folks. Want a Master of Science degree? Just repeat after me:
    Accrediation is a great thing. You can have whatever 'degree' you want, but if the school isnt recognized acorss the academinc and professional community, its meaningless.

    The state doesnt need to be involved at all, especially when there's no state money involved.


    Given all that, the rest of the OP was uncalled for.
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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Given all that, the rest of the OP was uncalled for.
    Perhaps, but I got a chuckle from some of it.

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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    It's not the government's job to supervise private colleges and the words they write on their diplomas.

    If a student studies as a private fruitcake factory using his own money and passes the courses according to the requirements of the head chefs, he can be awarded any degree the college wishes to bestow on him.

    All the state of texas has to do is re-word it's hiring requirements for teachers and other positions stating that successful applicants will have degrees from colleges accredited by the state accreditation board.

    That's not discrimination, that's merely prudence. The state accreditation board shouldn't have the power to command college curricula, it should merely be the state authority reviewing curricula to ensure that colleges meet the minimum requirements the board feels is essential....and really, there's no reason this function couldn't be served by a private body.

    Underwriter's Laboratories provides minimum standards for equipment, certainly colleges could organize their own accreditation board without government interference.

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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Nobody is trying to force Texas to grant them accreditation or to certify them in any way. The conflict is over the fact that TX has a law saying that no institution can grant any degree unless it's accredited by a TX institution. This bill is proposing to remove that requirement for schools that don't receive any government funding.

    I don't think it's necessarily a good idea, but it's less about religious intrusion and more about governmental involvement.
    Perhaps, but the end outcome is still rampant diploma mills. Texas's law has done wonders in keeping out diploma mills. And it could be argued that it is the government's role to maintain certain levels of standards. Free run of Texas for the diploma mills eliminates that.
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    Re: Bill in Texas would allow creationists to grant Masters of Science degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Perhaps, but the end outcome is still rampant diploma mills. Texas's law has done wonders in keeping out diploma mills. And it could be argued that it is the government's role to maintain certain levels of standards. Free run of Texas for the diploma mills eliminates that.
    For a fun look at how some unscrupulous online diploma mills operate, here's a pdf presentation I came across...

    Unconventional Diplomas from Online Vendors


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