Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 20 of 20

Thread: Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay

  1. #11
    Sage
    Dav's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    04-16-16 @ 02:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    5,539

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The rampant corporate sector was what lead to the economic crisis, now we are seeing overcompensation for that fact. I think in the long term it will balance out.
    Mind telling me how regulating this "rampant" corporate sector might have fixed things? When businesses wanted to make poor decisions, would the wise old government have had the foresight to stop them? Because we all know that the government is more intelligent than everyone else and only wants what is best for everyone.

  2. #12
    Norville Rogers
    Kernel Sanders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 10:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,730

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Really? You think that's what was the cause? Nothing to do with Government demands to make piss poor business decisions played into it? Really?
    That's certainly a part of it, but inadequate regulation most definitely was as well. Just off the top of my head I'd list massive over leveraging, CDO ratings that were just this side of fraudulent, and the weakening of the Glass-Steagal Act as major factors to which the proper response is stronger regulation. Bad government policies had a lot to do with the crisis, but do you think it has nothing to do with inadequate regulation?

  3. #13
    Sage
    Renae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    San Antonio Texas
    Last Seen
    10-23-17 @ 10:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    38,972
    Blog Entries
    15

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    That's certainly a part of it, but inadequate regulation most definitely was as well. Just off the top of my head I'd list massive over leveraging, CDO ratings that were just this side of fraudulent, and the weakening of the Glass-Steagal Act as major factors to which the proper response is stronger regulation. Bad government policies had a lot to do with the crisis, but do you think it has nothing to do with inadequate regulation?
    How about, I'll agree there was wrong regulation.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



  4. #14
    Familiaist


    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    North Carolina
    Last Seen
    11-16-16 @ 09:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    7,470

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's time for the broken legs, bloody lips and death. You guys don't get it do you? This isn't a game anymore. This bloody moron wants to control EVERYTHING.
    You are absolutely crazy. Let me paint this picture for you, and if you tell me that you are still about this revolution (where the consequence will just replace one power-hungry government with another), then I cannot offer any advice on how to combat your lunacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Article from 2020
    Ten years ago, militants of a dissenting ideology raised their arms against the United States of America. The dissenting militants (DM) gathered and plotted objectives and tactics with the internet as their primary medium.

    Nine years ago,a small brigade (~100 people) left their homes in West Virginia, Virginia proper, North Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee, and covertly crossed state borders with a common mission to strike Washington D.C. Unknown to the soldiers of the DM Washington had monitored their internet plots, had implanted many under-cover agent among their ranks, and kept tabs on what Washington called "Essentials of War" (EoW) which comprised of weapons and ammunition, high shelf life food-stuffs, shelter, and cars registered in the name of high-prestige members of DM. Unknown to the small brigade, they would not make it to the District's borders. Washington released a statement the following day with a condemnation of Terrorist actions within the United States border, and that "[Washington] would not tolerate agents of the DM, and would do all that was necessarily to get rid of the Terrorist organization." Over the next congressional session the Patriot Act was reimplemented, a token of the Bush Administration, and added to the act was the "Saftey-On Act" which, essentially, bans weapons, a complete government over-sight of all aspects of the internet, and placed military personnel, and equipment in a first-response distance to every major city in the United States.

    Eight years ago, the United States Military began running operations to demolish the E.o.W's, with an emphasis on the DM's targets. Collateral damage increased and Washington's statement expressed deep sympathy for the damage, but remarked that people were to be vigilante to rid their community of the DM, to report suspected targets to local law enforcement.

    Eight years and 6 months ago, Economists, Urban Planners, and Community Managers agree that many large American cities have been leveled to the size it was 40 years ago. Millions have been killed in Operations, and the President of the United States has moved from Washington D.C. to an undisclosed location, for fear of assassination attempts.

    Seven years ago............


    Why are people so complacent? I just don't get it.
    1) Because being complacent is a normal human order. Only when reeled by fanatics and passionate others are people drawn to an aggressive stance.

    2) Because most of us would rather not see Americans drawing American blood because some television/radio personality is making mad bank off of playing the empathy-card.


    If there is to be a Revolution in America.. where citizens are killing each other in the name of justice and order, then I hope to god that I am the first casualty.
    Last edited by Arch Enemy; 03-21-09 at 06:10 PM.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

  5. #15
    Norville Rogers
    Kernel Sanders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 10:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,730

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    How about, I'll agree there was wrong regulation.
    Then in order to have the right regulations in place, it's necessary to pass regulatory laws, n'est-ce pas?

  6. #16
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Regulate!

    If you go to the NYT website, the actual article is there.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/us...gulate.html?hp

    OP edited.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  7. #17
    Sage
    Renae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    San Antonio Texas
    Last Seen
    10-23-17 @ 10:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    38,972
    Blog Entries
    15

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You are absolutely crazy. Let me paint this picture for you, and if you tell me that you are still about this revolution (where the consequence will just replace one power-hungry government with another), then I cannot offer any advice on how to combat your lunacy.
    I'm not insane AE, I'm just furiously angry at what's happening to the country. Power mad, and power hungry, we're watching as DC reaches its' hands into every fiber of our lives, and it happens with people smiling. That's disgusting. [/quote]





    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    1) Because being complacent is a normal human order. Only when reeled by fanatics and passionate others are people drawn to an aggressive stance.
    Complacent, or ignorant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    2) Because most of us would rather not see Americans drawing American blood because some television/radio personality is making mad bank off of playing the empathy-card.
    What are blathering about with the TV/Radio thing?


    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If there is to be a Revolution in America.. where citizens are killing each other in the name of justice and order, then I hope to god that I am the first casualty.
    You'd rather live enslaved to the government then over throw it for it's evil? Well at least you're honest about it.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



  8. #18
    Educating the Ignorant
    zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:47 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    14,489
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's time for the broken legs, bloody lips and death. You guys don't get it do you? This isn't a game anymore. This bloody moron wants to control EVERYTHING.

    Do you think the impending Cap-and-Trade is about the environment?
    Do you REALLY think the UHC move is to help people?
    Let's say you owned a business, guess what, Herr Obama wants to take that control away from you, and PUNISH you for that.

    This isn't theory people, this isn't a joke.. it's happening, and people are really that blind to it?

    The government is on the verge of negating the Constitution by taxing "bonus pay" IT AUTHORIZED and targeting individuals. Yeah think about that.

    Why are people so complacent? I just don't get it.
    MrVicchio, watch those German references.
    The opposition is highly sensitive.

    We have to face facts.
    If we have not convinced these people at this point, they lack logic.
    The facts are obvious as you state.

    If they do not understand this...

    The government is on the verge of negating the Constitution by taxing "bonus pay" IT AUTHORIZED and targeting individuals.
    ... they never will.

    They just don't have the logical resources to put it together.
    They are lost causes.

    We can only hope one day they realize what has happened, why it has happened, and what we once had.

    From there, there is true Hope to put it half-assed back together again.

    .
    Last edited by zimmer; 03-21-09 at 06:35 PM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

  9. #19
    Familiaist


    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    North Carolina
    Last Seen
    11-16-16 @ 09:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    7,470

    Re: Regulate!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm not insane AE, I'm just furiously angry at what's happening to the country. Power mad, and power hungry, we're watching as DC reaches its' hands into every fiber of our lives, and it happens with people smiling. That's disgusting.
    What would happen if we overthrew the government and replace it? That everything would change, and we would be free? That is a ridiculous idea, and it nothing but lunacy if you think the overthrowing of the government is going to change the human condition to build hierarchy, and that those on top want to confirm their place on top.

    You'd rather live enslaved to the government then over throw it for it's evil? Well at least you're honest about it.
    Seems like you attempted to answer your own question, on my behalf. Thanks man!

    We cannot have a government, that has the authority to provide order in a nation-state, and consider ourselves he who is in control of the government. It is a horrible fallacy in the ideals of this country. We want the government to protect us from human nature, but we only want them to do it within the confines of natural law. We want to be free, but we want regulation of our citizenry.

    I am simply saying that when you get rid of this "evil". You are going to replace it with another "evil". Unless you wanna give anarchy a shot haha
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

  10. #20
    Sage
    Renae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    San Antonio Texas
    Last Seen
    10-23-17 @ 10:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    38,972
    Blog Entries
    15

    Re: Regulate!

    The outlines of the plan are expected to be unveiled this week in preparation for President Obama’s first foreign summit meeting in early April.

    Increasing oversight of executive pay has been under consideration for some time, but the decision was made in recent days as public fury over bonuses has spilled into the regulatory effort.

    The officials said that the administration was still debating the details of its plan, including how broadly it should be applied and how far it could range beyond simple reporting requirements. Depending on the outcome of the discussions, the administration could seek to put the changes into effect through regulations rather than through legislation.

    One proposal could impose greater requirements on the boards of companies to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to assure that outsize bonuses are not paid before meeting financial goals.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/us...l?pagewanted=1

    The same government that cannot get teh mail system to work, schools to work, and squandered social security should have control over the financial sector... brilliant.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •