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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    One of the problems with clean energy is that you still have to have transmission lines to carry all that power from the windmills or solar panels back to the metropolitan areas where the power is needed.

    And even the greenest folks don't want transmission lines in their backyard. Many environmentalists don't want transmission lines anywhere.

    I guess we need to think of a green way to get electricity from point A to point B without impacting anything in between.


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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    One of the problems with clean energy is that you still have to have transmission lines to carry all that power from the windmills or solar panels back to the metropolitan areas where the power is needed.

    And even the greenest folks don't want transmission lines in their backyard. Many environmentalists don't want transmission lines anywhere.

    I guess we need to think of a green way to get electricity from point A to point B without impacting anything in between.

    A great reason why electricity should be localized and we should switch to dc, but that would be a huge expense.
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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A great reason why electricity should be localized and we should switch to dc, but that would be a huge expense.
    Well, the point of windmill farms and solar panel arrays is that they can be strategically located where they'll reap the maximum benefit.

    And I don't believe we've reached a point where solar or wind could be located 'locally' in a major city such as New York. In fact, I seem to recall that the number of windmills necessary to power NYC would cover an area roughly the size of Connecticut.

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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    And I don't believe we've reached a point where solar or wind could be located 'locally' in a major city such as New York. In fact, I seem to recall that the number of windmills necessary to power NYC would cover an area roughly the size of Connecticut.
    Windmills are hugely inefficient so they are only "supplemental" energy.

    We've got two large windmill initiatives in Texas right now. Both came under fire from "green" groups and one is still in limbo. They complained that the windmills would interrupt bird migrations. Thats what stopped the windmills in the gulf. The other initiative is going through full speed as the billionaire who's running it didn't give a darn what they said. Texas will have the largest windmill energy farm in the US and maybe in the world later. Its still supplemental though.
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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, the point of windmill farms and solar panel arrays is that they can be strategically located where they'll reap the maximum benefit.

    And I don't believe we've reached a point where solar or wind could be located 'locally' in a major city such as New York. In fact, I seem to recall that the number of windmills necessary to power NYC would cover an area roughly the size of Connecticut.
    Ever since I learned about the Tesla/Edison battle for which type current to use I have felt that Edison was right.

    Electric companies have a regional monopoly that really has no future of real competition because it operates on the Alternating Current.

    NYC would need its own coal fired plant ,a nuclear reactor, or a combination of the many types of power.
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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    Windmills are hugely inefficient so they are only "supplemental" energy.

    We've got two large windmill initiatives in Texas right now. Both came under fire from "green" groups and one is still in limbo. They complained that the windmills would interrupt bird migrations. Thats what stopped the windmills in the gulf. The other initiative is going through full speed as the billionaire who's running it didn't give a darn what they said. Texas will have the largest windmill energy farm in the US and maybe in the world later. Its still supplemental though.
    Texas will have some real competition for windmill energy if Wyoming, North Dakota, etc decide to set up operation, they have far superior wind energy resources than the rest of the U.S.
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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How many right wingers want a nuclear plant in their backyards?
    already got one, thanks
    2nd one is being built. Land has already been purchased and its building had been approved.

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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Is she serious?

    If she was talking about the Sonoran desert, or the Chihuahuan, or even the Great Basin, I could possibly understand.

    But the Mojave? Give me a ****ing break. Has she ever been to Mojave? Here's what she's trying to save:

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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How many right wingers want a nuclear plant in their backyards?
    I have 3 in mine, couldn't be happier. I would really welcome some decent tax breaks for solar.
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    Re: Feinstein: "Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels"??

    I don't see the problem with putting the solar pannels there, but in a somewhat related way, I don't understand why solar technology can't just be integrated in urban areas as it is. The roofs of most buildings have nothing on them, and skyscrapers poke through a lot of urban pollution. Why can't we just put solar pannels and smaller windmill projects on top of pre-existing structures in an integral way?

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