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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    JPII summed up the power that women hold in becomeing who they are in this portion of his apostolic letter MULIERIS DIGNITATEM. I agree totally with his view.

    Mulieris Dignitatem, John Paul II, 15 August 1988 - Apostolic Letter
    What exactly does this mean:

    The inheritance of sin suggested by the words of the Bible - "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you"
    What is the sin, her desire for her husband or his ruling over her?

    Doesn't one gender ruling the other automatically denote superiority?
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Is that another way of saying I just don't understand the reasoning behind the discrimination?

    I can live with that. I don't tolerate discrimination; even if it's daftly asserted it comes from above.
    Are you not "discriminating" in your view of the Church--and is it not "daft" to hold an opinion on something you are unwilling to investigate to try to understand the reasoning?

    It must be difficult to be unable to tolerate your own discrimination, and yet continue to spout ignorant and false claims against an entire religion.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    JPII summed up the power that women hold in becomeing who they are in this portion of his apostolic letter MULIERIS DIGNITATEM. I agree totally with his view.

    Mulieris Dignitatem, John Paul II, 15 August 1988 - Apostolic Letter
    The personal resources of femininity are certainly no less than the resources of masculinity: they are merely different. Hence a woman, as well as a man, must understand her "fulfilment" as a person, her dignity and vocation...
    Tantamount to saying, "A woman should know her place..."

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Sure, but there are some people on here (not you) who have a knee-jerk reaction of criticizing the Church that is born of bigotry.
    I understand. You can't defend the indefensible so you crucify my character.

    I forgive you.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What exactly does this mean:



    What is the sin, her desire for her husband or his ruling over her?

    Doesn't one gender ruling the other automatically denote superiority?
    The sin was original sin, and the result is part of the struggle that is people not treating others with the respect they are due, and people not being treated with respect. In other words (as JPII thoroughly explains in his letter): Both man and woman are wounded by sin and one of the wounds to both is misogyny--it harms BOTH the misogynist, an those on the receiving end.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Church relies not only on the evidence of the Scriptures, but also the guidence of the Holy Spirit. The combination of the two tells the Church that the priesthood is only reserved for a small, select group of men. If I feel I am called to the priesthood (or deaconate - as I am married), as Felicity has pointed out, I would go through an extensive period of discernment and then formation (four years for the permanent deaconate) before Holy Orders are given. At any time during that period, the Church may exclude the candidate or the candidate himself may determine that the calling wasn't genuine.
    It's laughable that the church has a rigorous process that pedophiles can slip through yet women cannot.



    Because the Church, though its interpretation of the Scriptures and the intent of the Holy Spirit, has already determined that this is not God's intent. The Church is NOT closed to women. There are plenty of vitally important roles in the Church that women can and DO perform. However, the priesthood is NOT among them.
    The bible is a collection of old writings that someone siphoned through cherry picking which would make it in and which wouldn't.

    When women wanted to vote and were not allowed I'm sure it didn't mean diddly squat to them that there were plenty of things they were allowed to do other than voting.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Tantamount to saying, "A woman should know her place..."
    Yep. It's a place of supreme dignity and value--no less important than that of man.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I understand. You can't defend the indefensible so you crucify my character.

    I forgive you.
    The "inquisition" card is pathetic.
    But, I forgive YOU.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Are you not "discriminating" in your view of the Church--and is it not "daft" to hold an opinion on something you are unwilling to investigate to try to understand the reasoning?

    It must be difficult to be unable to tolerate your own discrimination, and yet continue to spout ignorant and false claims against an entire religion.
    I don't make false claims. The Catholic Church consists of a male dominated hierarchy.

    That is a fact.

    You accept the reasoning behind this male dominated hierarchy and believe it comes from God and I do not.

    I fail to see how that makes me a bigot. I have no issue with Catholic peoples.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't make false claims. The Catholic Church consists of a male dominated hierarchy.

    That is a fact.

    You accept the reasoning behind this male dominated hierarchy and believe it comes from God and I do not.

    I fail to see how that makes me a bigot. I have no issue with Catholic peoples.
    Name calling, my dear. You call the Church hateful and misogynistic. I am part of that Church. Do you consider me a "woman hater?"

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