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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Excuse him for what? For calling Mary Magdalene a sinner?

    And, as so often happens - you show a lack of basic understanding of the doctrine of infallibility.
    How many years did it take for the Vatican to officially squelch the rumors and admit that there was no historical basis for believing Mary Magdalene was a whore? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't all that long ago.

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    Lent did not exist, of course. However, we take many of our current traditions from Biblical examples. As we are celebrating a sacrifice to Christ, it would make sense to make use of the diet that Jesus fed his followers as an act of obedience and sacrifice.
    I wonder if he first came to earth today if he would have fed them Long John Silvers.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    How many years did it take for the Vatican to officially squelch the rumors and admit that there was no historical basis for believing Mary Magdalene was a whore? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't all that long ago.
    You are the one who claimed Pope Gregory called her a whore. That is a lie. In fact, the Church has long held a place of honor for Mary Magdelene. She is regarded as a Saint of the Church.

    Is the Church suddenly responsible for rumors and stories trotted out by others?
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I wonder if he first came to earth today if he would have fed them Long John Silvers.
    I am a native New Englander. Long John Silver's and Red Lobster are for those who know nothing of the true grandeur of seafood.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am a native New Englander. Long John Silver's and Red Lobster are for those who know nothing of the true grandeur of seafood.
    I lived in Hawaii for a number of years and I second that.

    Fresh mahi-mahi and Ahi straight from the boats was awesome. It make Long John Silvers and Red Lobster look like McDonalds.

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am a native New Englander. Long John Silver's and Red Lobster are for those who know nothing of the true grandeur of seafood.
    Ah, but the eating fish is supposed to be giving up the luxury of meat. Anyone could catch a fish back in the day.

    Don't forget Joe's Crab Shack.

    I have had real sea food from the coasts. It is good. Here in the midwest, not as good, unless you catch your own fresh fish, but it's different fish.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    But back to misogyny. When men were writing the bible, the world was largely misogynistic. A new religion in that day would have to follow suit in order to be taken seriously. Back then, everything had a male hierarchy. In fact, until very recently, that was still the case. I don't see how anyone could think that the Catholic Church would have been exempt from this. If they were, they would have surely marketed and touted this new thinking. They would have have been attacked back in the day for being non-misogynistic.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    But back to misogyny. When men were writing the bible, the world was largely misogynistic. A new religion in that day would have to follow suit in order to be taken seriously. Back then, everything had a male hierarchy. In fact, until very recently, that was still the case. I don't see how anyone could think that the Catholic Church would have been exempt from this. If they were, they would have surely marketed and touted this new thinking. They would have have been attacked back in the day for being non-misogynistic.
    Misogyny means "woman hate."

    misos "hatred" (from misein "to hate") + gyne "woman"

    Simple sexism is not misogyny.

    You guys are throwing the word Woman-hater at the Church and you don't know what you mean?

    Do you wonder why it might be offensive to accuse a whole religion of hate, if you really only mean that there was "typical sexist views?" That is a TOTALLY different charge than misogyny!

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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are the one who claimed Pope Gregory called her a whore. That is a lie. In fact, the Church has long held a place of honor for Mary Magdelene. She is regarded as a Saint of the Church.

    Is the Church suddenly responsible for rumors and stories trotted out by others?
    Pope Gregory went off on her, lambasted her, in a sermon on morals. Called her not just a sinner but claimed that Mary Magdalene was the same Mary in the Bible from whom 7 devils were cast out. In the sermon he went on to say that the 7 devils represented the 7 capital sins she was guilty of. Her reputation as a whore is traced back to Gregory and essentially blamed on Pope Gregory by every source I've looked at. The "sinner" part would not have made a whore. We're all sinners. It was the 7 capital sins part that was so slanderous. Not only did Pope Gregory morph 2 different Marys into one person he went a step further and amped up the story by equating the casting out of 7 demons as confirmation of the presence of 7 capital/deadly sins. He then went through and listed them making Mary guilty of pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia, ". From Gregory's sermon on her reputation was forever tarnished and not corrected by the church till a long while later. She was celebrated in the Roman Catholic Church for being a penitent all the way up until 1969 when revisions were finally made Roman Missal and Mary was no longer the woman who reformed herself after committing the 7 deadly sins.
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    Re: Pope condemns sexual violence against women

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Pope Gregory went off on her, lambasted her, in a sermon on morals. Called her not just a sinner but claimed that Mary Magdalene was the same Mary in the Bible from whom 7 devils were cast out. In the sermon he went on to say that the 7 devils represented the 7 capital sins she was guilty of. Her reputation as a whore is traced back to Gregory and essentially blamed on Pope Gregory by every source I've looked at. The "sinner" part would not have made a whore. We're all sinners. It was the 7 capital sins part that was so slanderous. Not only did Pope Gregory morph 2 different Marys into one person he went a step further and amped up the story by equating the casting out of 7 demons as confirmation of the presence of 7 capital/deadly sins. He then went through and listed them making Mary guilty of pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia, ".[2] From Gregory's sermon on her reputation was forever tarnished and not corrected by the church till a long while later. She was celebrated in the Roman Catholic Church for being a penitent all the way up until 1969 when revisions were finally made Roman Missal and Mary was no longer the woman who reformed herself after committing the 7 deadly sins.
    What's wrong with being a penitent? I have committed all 7 deadly sins--I am a sinner. I am also a penitent. Mary was too. Psssssst....we all are.

    He was more than a little enthusiastic in his pointing that out about her--but HEY! Pope Gregory was a sinner in need of penance and redemption TOO!

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