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    Yeah, very tasteful on national tv.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .....like nobody has ever made fun of retarded people.....honestly?
    I never have made fun of retarded people, and I wouldn't, but I have called people who were "normal" or things, retarded before. Retarded to me has different meanings, and calling someone retarded used to mean they were lame or silly, or any number of various things, but I never meant it as a slur against a retarded person. I don't really see why retarded has been made to mean something bad. It's just a word that refers to someone who has a very low IQ. Sometimes these people can be educable, but many times they are too slow for this to occur. Retarded just means having an inability to learn, or learn quickly enough to become independent.

    Saying "mentally challenged" is for one thing too long, and it's two words. Why do we need to have to say everything in such a dragged out manner? So now people will slur you by calling you "mentally challenged". What's the difference? I don't see a difference. A slur is a slur.

    Now what Obama said was not really a nice thing to say. It was too common for a President to say in public, and this is why President's don't do the Leno thing after they get elected very often. I think Bush may have gone on such a show, but he was with Laura, and the conversation stayed very controlled from what I remember, but I might be dreaming, and he never did it.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It's easier to b.s. your way through a Leno interview. If we as the people accept this as a proper format for policy discussions we've embraced wholesale propaganda in favor of intellectual exchange. He didn't level" with the American people, he lied to them. He did so easily too as Leno isn't about to give him a hard time or question him in any substantive way.
    It's almost trite to do comparisons, but it is valuable much the same. George W. Bush did not subjugate himself to strenuous debate via the media, and neither did Bill Clinton. It's not a smart move to not exercise a degree of control over interviews. Of course it was a bit of propaganda, but that neither necessarily dictates that he lied, nor does it mean that propaganda is wrongful. This also does not stop Obama from trying to flex his intellectual or political skills with a more challenging opponent in the future, it was one gig during one night for a four year presidency.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    You ignored all of Hatuey's sources so I'm not even going to try to prove to you that he had it while in office, however you'd have to actually not read my posts to realize that I've now established that I believe WOODROW WILSON had the condition IN OFFICE as well.
    Here, I won't ignore Hatuey's sources:

    The first symptoms are often mistaken as related to ageing or stress.[5] Detailed neuropsychological testing can reveal mild cognitive difficulties up to eight years before a person fulfills the clinical criteria for diagnosis of AD.[20] These early symptoms can affect the most complex daily living activities.[21] The most noticeable deficit is memory loss, which shows up as difficulty in remembering recently learned facts and inability to acquire new information.[22][23] Subtle problems with the executive functions of attentiveness, planning, flexibility, and abstract thinking, or impairments in semantic memory (memory of meanings, and concept relationships), can also be symptomatic of the early stages of AD.[24][25] Apathy can be observed at this stage, and remains the most persistent neuropsychiatric symptom throughout the course of the disease.[26][27][28] The preclinical stage of the disease has also been termed mild cognitive impairment,[29] but there is still debate on whether this term corresponds to a different diagnostic entity by itself or just a first step of the disease.[30]
    Looks like Obama too can now be given the honor of joining Reagan & Wilson.

    The double talk exibited by Obama in regard to AIG bonuses definitely fits the bill here, either that, or he's flat out lying. You choose.

    Definitely another trait of the disease that Obama exhibits as he laughs his way through interview after interview in what he himself has described as the biggest economic crisis since the great depression.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I don't really see why retarded has been made to mean something bad.
    We place high value on perceived intelligence and ability. You essentially answered your own puzzlement, you just haven't realized it yet.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's almost trite to do comparisons, but it is valuable much the same. George W. Bush did not subjugate himself to strenuous debate via the media, and neither did Bill Clinton. It's not a smart move to not exercise a degree of control over interviews. Of course it was a bit of propaganda, but that neither necessarily dictates that he lied, nor does it mean that propaganda is wrongful. This also does not stop Obama from trying to flex his intellectual or political skills with a more challenging opponent in the future, it was one gig during one night for a four year presidency.
    The only reason Leno's show exists, or Lettermans or any late night comedy program job is to promote new forms of media.

    Nothing more nothing less.

    Is Obama some kind of item that needs to be sold to the American people?

    Obama isn't siding with the American people becoming a new form of media for the public to love, and going on shows such as these are not traits of good leaders.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    I will admit as a liberal that if Bush had said something about the special olympics, the left would have gone insane
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I will admit as a liberal that if Bush had said something about the special olympics, the left would have gone insane
    WOW!

    In all fairness, I wish Palin would just STFU about it and not play politics with this because she sounds just as inept and pathetic as the Liberals did with their personal attacks on Bush, McCain and HER.

    P.S. I did not find Obamaís comments offensive; I donít think it is a bad thing as Obama was putting himself down with the analogy and not insulting others.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    As a member of the left, I think Bush making a special olympics comment wouldn't have caused scorn so much as jokes about his first hand experience as a special olympian.

    Yes it's all a dog and pony show. Softball questions to a large audience, etc...

    I do recognize building public support as a way to get leverage in Congress to get his agenda passed though. So he is doing the Presiden't job even if it's not the way I would like him to do it.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    The only reason Leno's show exists, or Lettermans or any late night comedy program job is to promote new forms of media.

    Nothing more nothing less.

    Is Obama some kind of item that needs to be sold to the American people?

    Obama isn't siding with the American people becoming a new form of media for the public to love, and going on shows such as these are not traits of good leaders.
    If that was the case then why have politicians come before that venue, or venues similar to it, and either announced their causes or have used it to enhance their appeal to the nation or their constituents?

    Is Obama some kind of item that needs to be sold to the American people? Yes. This is American politics, and American politics in a mass media world, don't be naive and say otherwise.

    "Obama isn't siding with the American people becoming a new form of media for the public to love, and going on shows such as these are not traits of good leaders."

    Are you sure? By becoming immersed with the American media, he is essentially saying the American political market for American citizens is largely in the television programming they consume or the internet websites they frequent, and it is true. This is smart campaigning. Not that he should overwhelm the entirety of his administration of 4 years with it, but to hold the office of the Presidency in this day and age as 'above' appearing on a show hosted by the successor to Johnny Carson is ridiculous.

    Furthermore, Presidents are awfully concerned about their image. In a television world, President Kennedy 'wowed' audiences on television through appearance and delivery. Afterwards, once elected, they carefully selected photographers to capture the 'essence' of his administration,his Presidency, and his family. Most of this was exaggerated, to be sure, but it worked. By showing some sort of mystical guy who could play baseball, go sailing, have walks on the beach, and raise a beautiful family all with a bad back (not many knew of this until later) and while being the 'leader of the free world' Americans fell in love with the guy, and it only got more intense after the man died. Early on he was concerned with image and posterity, and it worked. Nixon, if there was anyone who could be accused of being concerned about posterity, it would be Richard Nixon. Following the success of Kennedy's beach photoshoots, Nixon tried to do the same thing. The photographs seemed out of place for the man, but obviously image, once again, was a big concern for the President of the United States.

    Is Obama immersing himself so highly as to appearing on the Jerry Springer show? No. Let's not exaggerate how lowbrow he is moving.
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