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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm getting the impression that you are more upset for average joe than for the conflicting messages from the movement and how it may impact the actual individuals with the disabilities.
    Guilty as charged. First thing I noticed about "the movement" is that it is a bunch of non-disabled people whose jobs and departmental budgets are on the line telling a bunch of disabled people how they're supposed to feel and what they're supposed to say in order to fight for their "rights".

    "Rights" which invariably benefit the people organizing the movement, at taxpayer expense.

    Of course it's mired in contradictions. All scams are.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Guilty as charged. First thing I noticed about "the movement" is that it is a bunch of non-disabled people whose jobs and departmental budgets are on the line telling a bunch of disabled people how they're supposed to feel and what they're supposed to say in order to fight for their "rights".

    "Rights" which invariably benefit the people organizing the movement, at taxpayer expense.

    Of course it's mired in contradictions. All scams are.
    It's a unique position, but the most noticeable thing is that in comparison with most other politically correct issues, disability issues are on the low scale of attention. I don't feel as if average joe is losing out because of it. Maybe it's because of my personal childhood background (in comparison with others' professional or parental background), but I can't quite feel at home with either the professionals or the average joes and how they look at us (if I can adopt that word, despite the fact that my disability is in extreme contrast to other people's disabilities).
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a unique position, but the most noticeable thing is that in comparison with most other politically correct issues, disability issues are on the low scale of attention. I don't feel as if average joe is losing out because of it.
    I used to be a rehabilitation trainer. Basically a glorified domestic at eleven bucks an hour. Program costs were low six digits per client per year, not counting the truly astounding healthcare costs that the majority of them rack up.

    And you know where almost all of that money comes from? Social Security.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Maybe it's because of my personal childhood background (in comparison with others' professional or parental background), but I can't quite feel at home with either the professionals or the average joes and how they look at us (if I can adopt that word, despite the fact that my disability is in extreme contrast to other people's disabilities).
    I don't know what your problem is, but you can read and write and make an argument. If you're not a productive member of society, my guess would be that has more to do with the government thinking it's easier to buy you off than to try to find you real work. If you are a productive member of society, either holding a job or taking care of your family, then none of my ranting applies to you. You're disabled, but you're not useless, and I think the government ought to be interested in helping you be productive.

    I'm crippled and psychotic. As a result, I am severely underemployed-- but I won't qualify for any form of government assistance unless I become completely useless or begin to pose a danger to myself or others. Thing is, if I could afford my medications, I'd be less crippled and less psychotic and thus more productive at work. If I could go back to college, I might theoretically be able to enter a career field where being crippled and psychotic didn't interfere with my job functions.

    On the other hand, if I were crippled and psychotic and retarded, the government would pay for my medicine, pay for me to go to the local community college, and find me a job that didn't cause me to have nightmares and muscle spasms. Complete with a guy who gets paid eleven dollars an hour to watch me do my job and keep me from getting fired.

    So, I am a very strong proponent of government programs to help the disabled-- especially to rehabilitate them and help them function in the workplace and in society. I am just a little frustrated by the government's policy of providing the most help to the people who are guaranteed to show the least results.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I'm referring to his alhseimers
    THat is plain STUPID and ignorant. Seems YOU are the one who may have a thinking disability if you actually believe that remark.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    No, he actually had the condition.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    No, he actually had the condition.
    AFTER his presidency was long over.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Yeah.....Sure
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't know what your problem is, but you can read and write and make an argument. If you're not a productive member of society, my guess would be that has more to do with the government thinking it's easier to buy you off than to try to find you real work. If you are a productive member of society, either holding a job or taking care of your family, then none of my ranting applies to you. You're disabled, but you're not useless, and I think the government ought to be interested in helping you be productive.

    I'm crippled and psychotic. As a result, I am severely underemployed-- but I won't qualify for any form of government assistance unless I become completely useless or begin to pose a danger to myself or others. Thing is, if I could afford my medications, I'd be less crippled and less psychotic and thus more productive at work. If I could go back to college, I might theoretically be able to enter a career field where being crippled and psychotic didn't interfere with my job functions.

    On the other hand, if I were crippled and psychotic and retarded, the government would pay for my medicine, pay for me to go to the local community college, and find me a job that didn't cause me to have nightmares and muscle spasms. Complete with a guy who gets paid eleven dollars an hour to watch me do my job and keep me from getting fired.

    So, I am a very strong proponent of government programs to help the disabled-- especially to rehabilitate them and help them function in the workplace and in society. I am just a little frustrated by the government's policy of providing the most help to the people who are guaranteed to show the least results.

    Except that it is not really that black and white. I don't really want to get into specifics on here, but have you ever seen how one way or another the system isn't quite allowing sections of the disabled class to move on with their own lives-should they wish to? Sometimes the social programs are all they got, because without them, they are, excuse my internet lingo, fooked. Most of the time they aren't useless, it's just about the only means they have to join society-or as you would wish to call it-become useful.

    You are right about one thing though: it's all in the definition of "normal" and "not normal". The problem is that without those programs, I know first hand that they would have created a situation in which many useful people would be blocked off from reaching independence far too soon, all in the name of fiscal responsibility and self-dependence.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Honest thought....

    I hate how Political Correct, PR focused, media prevelent we've became. Obama made an admittedly stupid but not hurtful or attacking comment that I'd say a great number of Americans have made or made something akin to it. The fact he has to come out and issue an "apology" because some idiots took it as a serious attack or they got their feeligns hurt is idoitic and is just another symptom of our PC society that is just looking and hoping for ways to be offended and insulted.
    The thing that bothers me about PC social politics is that it glosses over what people are thinking about anyway, it just tries to prevent them from expressing it. For instance, clearly Obama talks that way when he's casually chatting with friends (he's probably worse than that, too), but the media wants to punish him for making a remark that most people in their lives have also made.

    Instead of reacting to the remark and trying to silence it, it's better to let it out so that people can have a dialogue about it. I'm so tired of the media defaming people. Journalism has gone out the window. It's all about sensationalism and ratings now.

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