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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I don't think half of them even knew her politics. I'm not surprised that special ed teachers would not have been impressed w/a republican no matter what they say or do. It's disconcerting that some of the most close minded people in the work force are educating our children.
    Your entire post is incredibly accurate, but the bold couldn't have been stated better.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Johnny Carson became an American cultural icon. The "Late Show" "Tonight Show", however you wish to approach it, is an important example of American culture. I thought it would have been obvious why the American people (including your leaders) feel so attached to that venue.

    So in other words, you are just saying it shouldn't be, even though the political system and marketing speak otherwise about the usefulness of such appearances. Then, once presented with historical examples of two Presidents without going into any others that controlled their image in such a way (by the way, because of the political climate in which Democrats were perceived to have lost China to communism, there was just a wee bit of pressure to keep involved in Vietnam), you dismiss them as bad leaders, to therefore keep your thesis.

    Keeping good appearance is good for the politically inept and the politically swoonable, and the politically eligible voters, and it's good for posterity (ask any political historian). Having good appearance does not mean one is politically inept, it's a separate means of maintaining an agenda and a lasting legacy, and deep down, having some fun.

    It's merely idealism to suggest that a politician can get by through his or her sheer brilliance of the issues, which is why I have to be amused.
    America has benefited greatly from Chinese Communism, Kennedy went to Vietnam because he did not like communism. Being from one of America's richest families, the Kennedy's stood to lose a lot if this idea of stateless society become popular in the states.

    As for your amusement, **** you amusement.

    Go watch The Three Stooges if you want to be amused, I'm not saying that the president shouldn't make appearances but Leno's show is a really expensive infomercial with a comedy routine.

    When the president is making appearances on shows like these it makes Americans look like a joke.

    As for Johnny Carson, are you saying that just making someone a cultural icon makes it ok for the president to go on there show. Being relevant cultural does not warrant the the presidents time.

    Solving America's problems aren't on Jay Leno's coach, and I could careless about him having fun as president.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    What's the new problem?
    What do you do to educate those with special needs (though the question would have been phrased differently in a different time)?
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    America has benefited greatly from Chinese Communism, Kennedy went to Vietnam because he did not like communism. Being from one of America's richest families, the Kennedy's stood to lose a lot if this idea of stateless society become popular in the states.

    As for your amusement, **** you amusement.

    Go watch The Three Stooges if you want to be amused, I'm not saying that the president shouldn't make appearances but Leno's show is a really expensive infomercial with a comedy routine.

    When the president is making appearances on shows like these it makes Americans look like a joke.

    As for Johnny Carson, are you saying that just making someone a cultural icon makes it ok for the president to go on there show. Being relevant cultural does not warrant the the presidents time.

    Solving America's problems aren't on Jay Leno's coach, and I could careless about him having fun as president.

    1. I was talking about half of the issue for why we had involvement (but limited) with Vietnam. You can't discount the influence that has.
    2. Of course Kennedy believed in the domino theory. You still do not want a nation to fall into the hands of the communists, or else political repercussions would also follow.
    3. Good suggestion. I'll rent them sometime. I haven't seen them in ages!
    4. Of course it has comedy in it. So what? It's a good venue for lightening the impeding doom of politics while reaching millions of Americans at the same time.
    5. I'm sure it does make us look like a joke....except it doesn't. Firstly, if you want a good afternoon nap, I suggest watching C-SPAN's coverage of one of our best branches of government. Then go out and find some House of Commons footage. Blasted humor for getting in the way of good policy.
    6. To a degree, yes. Representatives on Bill Maher, Bill Clinton on MTV, leaders announcing candidacies on ______ late show....it's a medium that has become a classic of American television audiences. It's not new, it's not entirely hip. It's mainstream American entertainment. How silly does the President look while throwing the opening pitch during a game? Depends on his skill, but do many people complain? Why not? I would hope it had something to do with how baseball is an American past time, and darn it, they would gosh darn like it if so and so threw a baseball instead of being an uptight doo-doo head.

    I'm sorry, all I am hearing is useless idealism in a political reality. Just get some tissues, wait a week, and I am sure it will be all over.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    1. I was talking about half of the issue for why we had involvement (but limited) with Vietnam. You can't discount the influence that has.
    2. Of course Kennedy believed in the domino theory. You still do not want a nation to fall into the hands of the communists, or else political repercussions would also follow.
    3. Good suggestion. I'll rent them sometime. I haven't seen them in ages!
    4. Of course it has comedy in it. So what? It's a good venue for lightening the impeding doom of politics while reaching millions of Americans at the same time.
    5. I'm sure it does make us look like a joke....except it doesn't. Firstly, if you want a good afternoon nap, I suggest watching C-SPAN's coverage of one of our best branches of government. Then go out and find some House of Commons footage. Blasted humor for getting in the way of good policy.
    6. To a degree, yes. Representatives on Bill Maher, Bill Clinton on MTV, leaders announcing candidacies on ______ late show....it's a medium that has become a classic of American television audiences. It's not new, it's not entirely hip. It's mainstream American entertainment. How silly does the President look while throwing the opening pitch during a game? Depends on his skill, but do many people complain? Why not? I would hope it had something to do with how baseball is an American past time, and darn it, they would gosh darn like it if so and so threw a baseball instead of being an uptight doo-doo head.

    I'm sorry, all I am hearing is useless idealism in a political reality. Just get some tissues, wait a week, and I am sure it will be all over.
    1. I don't even understand what you are trying to get at.
    2. Political freedom my friend, some of the greatest reforms of America were responses to the American Socialist party ran by Eugene Debs who was imprisoned for no reason.

    I support no one who goes to war against anyone elses ideology, war is the excuse politicians pull out of there ass when they failed there constituents and/or have no better solution.

    The whole red scare was a political movement aimed at keeping Americans in the dark at the real issue at hand, a fight for natural resources. In the end America won, but does that justify the situation. What are the wars now?

    A fight for natural resources.
    4. It's an infomercial with comedy in it, the comedy takes back stage to whatever the network is trying to push onto people. Whether it is the hot new tv show, or the hot new movie, it is geared towards selling a certain goods while keeping you moderately entertained.

    Not the kind of show the president should be on.
    5. Get over yourself for a second, not everything in the world should be a commodity. The presidents image shouldn't be the hot new commodity that people rave about.
    6. Sporting events are different than infomercials geared at selling you the hot new item, and that is what Late Night comedy shows are. Over glorified infomercial segments with comedy as an add-on. Appearances in public are fine, even on news programs and the like. Leno is a show geared towards selling pop culture, Obama by god better not become a pop culture icon tell he proves his worth.

    It's like your giving the prince the throne to the castle before he becomes king.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    You ignored all of Hatuey's sources so I'm not even going to try to prove to you that he had it while in office, however you'd have to actually not read my posts to realize that I've now established that I believe WOODROW WILSON had the condition IN OFFICE as well.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    1. I don't even understand what you are trying to get at.
    2. Political freedom my friend, some of the greatest reforms of America were responses to the American Socialist party ran by Eugene Debs who was imprisoned for no reason.

    I support no one who goes to war against anyone elses ideology, war is the excuse politicians pull out of there ass when they failed there constituents and/or have no better solution.

    The whole red scare was a political movement aimed at keeping Americans in the dark at the real issue at hand, a fight for natural resources. In the end America won, but does that justify the situation. What are the wars now?

    A fight for natural resources.
    4. It's an infomercial with comedy in it, the comedy takes back stage to whatever the network is trying to push onto people. Whether it is the hot new tv show, or the hot new movie, it is geared towards selling a certain goods while keeping you moderately entertained.

    Not the kind of show the president should be on.
    5. Get over yourself for a second, not everything in the world should be a commodity. The presidents image shouldn't be the hot new commodity that people rave about.
    6. Sporting events are different than infomercials geared at selling you the hot new item, and that is what Late Night comedy shows are. Over glorified infomercial segments with comedy as an add-on. Appearances in public are fine, even on news programs and the like. Leno is a show geared towards selling pop culture, Obama by god better not become a pop culture icon tell he proves his worth.

    It's like your giving the prince the throne to the castle before he becomes king.
    Good lord. I bring up two presidents, two top men of their game, and why they were concerned with image, you go on a rant about Vietnam (why, I don't know), I tell you why it was difficult to escape getting into a conflict in that region, then you say you don't care, then I explain further, then you have absolutely no idea what I am talking about (go figure), and you randomly bring up Eugene Debbs and continue ranting (and I stopped reading shortly thereafter).
    I regret going into any examples of history, because you clearly have no conception of how to use it for debate and cannot keep focus.

    "It's an infomercial with comedy in it, the comedy takes back stage to whatever the network is trying to push onto people. Whether it is the hot new tv show, or the hot new movie, it is geared towards selling a certain goods while keeping you moderately entertained."

    And the venue has been used by politicians for a very long time now, and it is generally accepted? Only now because Obama has been considered a media darling (no doubt he is, much to my regret), has there even been the slightest of controversy. Look at how the venue has been used, suck it in, and accept reality.

    "Get over yourself for a second, not everything in the world should be a commodity. The presidents image shouldn't be the hot new commodity that people rave about."

    That's part of politics in the modern age. How much clearer does it need to be shown to you for you to understand that? That's not me being an egotist (how does that work, again? I don't even like Jay Leno), that's politics.

    "Sporting events are different than infomercials geared at selling you the hot new item, and that is what Late Night comedy shows are. Over glorified infomercial segments with comedy as an add-on. Appearances in public are fine, even on news programs and the like. Leno is a show geared towards selling pop culture, Obama by god better not become a pop culture icon tell he proves his worth."

    It's still degenerating the worth of the office, right? I mean, the President of the United States throwing a baseball, when he is not a baseball player, and he's doing it for the goofy photo opportunity. It's still the same song and dance for you, except it doesn't have that icky consumerism behind it.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    If the president going on a comedy routine that is meant to promote the hot new commodity is Modern Age Politics, then I might have to say the American people have failed.

    Obama going on Leno would be the same to me as him going on the Shamwow guys show. He is a large cultural icon, that sole intent is to entertain you so you buy into the crap he is pushing, same **** as Leno.




    Both Leno and this guy have the same damn message, are popular pop culture references and offer an entertaining way to promote new products.

    Should the president go on television and talk to the Shamwow guy about his free throw shot or how AIG is such a **** up?

    Of course not, and this is why going on Leno is such a terrible thing and why it shouldn't be perpetuated as ok or modern idea.
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    It would make my life if Obama went on tv with the Sham-wow guy

    "I don't know, it sells itself"
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Plus I'm sure she was sought out by many for her comment within minutes of Obama's remark (the media still thinks the presidential race was Obama vs Palin).

    You're statement is almost 100% correct. I'm sure Gov Palin always cared (hence not blinking when told her baby was going to be born with Down's). But it's a deeper, more personal kind of caring when it's your child.

    In her address to the RNC upon accepting the nomination for VP candidate, Gov Palin specifically addressed parents of SN children saying they would have an avocate in Washington. In that moment, she became a leader in many eyes.
    I dunno, I always got the impression she was beating us over the head about her mentally retarded kid, like we should vote for her over that.
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