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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If that was the case then why have politicians come before that venue, or venues similar to it, and either announced their causes or have used it to enhance their appeal to the nation or their constituents?

    Is Obama some kind of item that needs to be sold to the American people? Yes. This is American politics, and American politics in a mass media world, don't be naive and say otherwise.

    "Obama isn't siding with the American people becoming a new form of media for the public to love, and going on shows such as these are not traits of good leaders."

    Are you sure? By becoming immersed with the American media, he is essentially saying the American political market for American citizens is largely in the television programming they consume or the internet websites they frequent, and it is true. This is smart campaigning. Not that he should overwhelm the entirety of his administration of 4 years with it, but to hold the office of the Presidency in this day and age as 'above' appearing on a show hosted by the successor to Johnny Carson is ridiculous.

    Furthermore, Presidents are awfully concerned about their image. In a television world, President Kennedy 'wowed' audiences on television through appearance and delivery. Afterwards, once elected, they carefully selected photographers to capture the 'essence' of his administration and his Presidency. Most of this was exaggerated, to be sure, but it worked. Early on he was concerned with image and posterity, and it worked. Nixon, if there was anyone who could be accused of being concerned about posterity, it would be Richard Nixon. Following the success of Kennedy's beach photoshoots, Nixon tried to do the same thing. The photographs seemed out of place for the man, but obviously image, once again, was a big concern for the President of the United States.

    Is Obama immersing himself so highly as to appearing on the Jerry Springer show? No. Let's not exaggerate how lowbrow he is moving.
    What made Johnny Carson that much more special?

    I don't think any president should had gone on that show either, it serves the same purpose Leno's show serves. To promote forms of media that the blindfull masses will run out in droves to have.

    I don't thin Nixon or Kennedy where good leader either, one of them got us involved in a war that killed over a million people and the other was a crook. Furthermore we aren't electing glamor queens to sit in the oval office and play president, we are electing leaders and Americans shouldn't be coaxed into electing glamor queens.

    You talk as if being a in the lime light is good for there appearance, but why is there appearance so god damn important? That is the kind of reason why we have a bunch of nobodies in Washington that are of any ability to lead, because Americans are more worried about appearances than actual ability to serve the people.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    WOW!

    In all fairness, I wish Palin would just STFU about it and not play politics with this because she sounds just as inept and pathetic as the Liberals did with their personal attacks on Bush, McCain and HER.

    P.S. I did not find Obamaís comments offensive; I donít think it is a bad thing as Obama was putting himself down with the analogy and not insulting others.
    She makes this unique because she is both politician and parent to such a child. Most people begin caring about people with disabilities once they themselves are in some way impacted by their presence.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    What made Johnny Carson that much more special?

    I don't think any president should had gone on that show either, it serves the same purpose Leno's show serves. To promote forms of media that the blindfull masses will run out in droves to have.

    I don't thin Nixon or Kennedy where good leader either, one of them got us involved in a war that killed over a million people and the other was a crook. Furthermore we aren't electing glamor queens to sit in the oval office and play president, we are electing leaders and Americans shouldn't be coaxed into electing glamor queens.

    You talk as if being a in the lime light is good for there appearance, but why is there appearance so god damn important? That is the kind of reason why we have a bunch of nobodies in Washington that are of any ability to lead, because Americans are more worried about appearances than actual ability to serve the people.
    Johnny Carson became an American cultural icon. The "Late Show" "Tonight Show", however you wish to approach it, is an important example of American culture. I thought it would have been obvious why the American people (including your leaders) feel so attached to that venue.

    So in other words, you are just saying it shouldn't be, even though the political system and marketing speak otherwise about the usefulness of such appearances. Then, once presented with historical examples of two Presidents without going into any others that controlled their image in such a way (by the way, because of the political climate in which Democrats were perceived to have lost China to communism, there was just a wee bit of pressure to keep involved in Vietnam), you dismiss them as bad leaders, to therefore keep your thesis.

    Keeping good appearance is good for the politically inept and the politically swoonable, and the politically eligible voters, and it's good for posterity (ask any political historian). Having good appearance does not mean one is politically inept, it's a separate means of maintaining an agenda and a lasting legacy, and deep down, having some fun.

    It's merely idealism to suggest that a politician can get by through his or her sheer brilliance of the issues, which is why I have to be amused.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 03-23-09 at 05:20 PM.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    She makes this unique because she is both politician and parent to such a child. Most people begin caring about people with disabilities once they themselves are in some way impacted by their presence.

    Plus I'm sure she was sought out by many for her comment within minutes of Obama's remark (the media still thinks the presidential race was Obama vs Palin).

    You're statement is almost 100% correct. I'm sure Gov Palin always cared (hence not blinking when told her baby was going to be born with Down's). But it's a deeper, more personal kind of caring when it's your child.

    In her address to the RNC upon accepting the nomination for VP candidate, Gov Palin specifically addressed parents of SN children saying they would have an avocate in Washington. In that moment, she became a leader in many eyes.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Plus I'm sure she was sought out by many for her comment within minutes of Obama's remark (the media still thinks the presidential race was Obama vs Palin).

    You're statement is almost 100% correct. I'm sure Gov Palin always cared (hence not blinking when told her baby was going to be born with Down's). But it's a deeper, more personal kind of caring when it's your child.

    In her address to the RNC upon accepting the nomination for VP candidate, Gov Palin specifically addressed parents of SN children saying they would have an avocate in Washington. In that moment, she became a leader in many eyes.
    Depending on who you may have talked to. Again, the demographic is largely liberal with regard to such issues, so it was interesting to see from my perspective how people would react to it. Teachers in special education were not impressed, and parents who also happen to get much information from teachers, or most parents who didn't like her politics, might have said "well, okay, but you are for and against ____".
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    She makes this unique because she is both politician and parent to such a child. Most people begin caring about people with disabilities once they themselves are in some way impacted by their presence.
    I disagree; in my opinion she made herself look pathetic by jumping on the same political bandwagon as those she criticized for doing the same thing to her.

    I don't know but did the media suddenly say "gee, what would Sarah say?"

    She could have been a BIGGER person by calling this what it was; a big deal about nothing.

    Good lord, this is a President who is spending the next three generations into bankruptcy and we're worried about a comment about his bowling being the level of the "Special Olympics?"

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I disagree; in my opinion she made herself look pathetic by jumping on the same political bandwagon as those she criticized for doing the same thing to her.

    I don't know but did the media suddenly say "gee, what would Sarah say?"

    She could have been a BIGGER person by calling this what it was; a big deal about nothing.

    Good lord, this is a President who is spending the next three generations into bankruptcy and we're worried about a comment about his bowling being the level of the "Special Olympics?"
    Well, I disagreed with her entire statement (I never cared for her to begin with-McCain guy here-until she showed up), including the use of the word "precious" in regard to other human beings. This is why I said she is "both politician and parent to such a child" (if that was exact quote or not).
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Depending on who you may have talked to. Again, the demographic is largely liberal with regard to such issues, so it was interesting to see from my perspective how people would react to it. Teachers in special education were not impressed, and parents who also happen to get much information from teachers, or most parents who didn't like her politics, might have said "well, okay, but you are for and against ____".
    I don't think half of them even knew her politics. I'm not surprised that special ed teachers would not have been impressed w/a republican no matter what they say or do. It's disconcerting that some of the most close minded people in the work force are educating our children.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I don't think half of them even knew her politics. I'm not surprised that special ed teachers would not have been impressed w/a republican no matter what they say or do. It's disconcerting that some of the most close minded people in the work force are educating our children.
    It's not disconcerting so much as predictable. The specialization of social policy naturally will show the evolution of a passionate source of people working on a new problem to eventually becoming a passionate group of people with a specific agenda and political ties or dogmas.
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    Re: Obama sorry for disability remark

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not disconcerting so much as predictable. The specialization of social policy naturally will show the evolution of a passionate source of people working on a new problem to eventually becoming a passionate group of people with a specific agenda and political ties or dogmas.
    What's the new problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You guys are weird.

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