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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    2. this is not a "cage match" it is boxing and I see nothing wrong with it.
    They were fighting, in a cage, and a grappling takedown was clearly tolerated. "Ref" didn't break the clinch until the one student mounted the other and started punching him in the face.

    I didn't see anything too wrong with it, but they're clearly not following the Marquis' rules.

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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

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    Probably the best thing. When girls get angry they go below the belt, as to speak.
    We always yelled "Rip her shirt off!" during catfights in school.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    I see a lot of people thinking that fighting is a good thing.

    What does it solve?
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I see a lot of people thinking that fighting is a good thing.

    What does it solve?
    It relives the human instinctual tendency toward territorial and hierarchical aggression and releases the tension that builds up in multiple instances of emotional confrontations which do not lead to violence.

    Getting your teeth bloody occasionally is a tremendous aid to the practice of treating people regularly with civility and respect.

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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It relives the human instinctual tendency toward territorial and hierarchical aggression and releases the tension that builds up in multiple instances of emotional confrontations which do not lead to violence.

    Getting your teeth bloody occasionally is a tremendous aid to the practice of treating people regularly with civility and respect.
    Violence maintains civility? I don't buy that. I can see that a pressure release can be effective for releasing built up frustrations. I don't think violence is the best way to to release tensions. Many people frustrate me. I don't think bloodying their teeth will remedy that situation. I can release my frustrations without hurting another person.
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    I didn't say that violence maintains civility. I believe I said that acknowledging and accommodating the urge to violence makes it easier to maintain civility when violence is undesirable.

    Historically, the cultures with the most refined manners were those in which violence was most common-- and we can observe, even within our own lifetimes, that as the frequency of and tolerance for violence has decreased the standards for proper public conduct and decorum have likewise decreased.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I didn't say that violence maintains civility. I believe I said that acknowledging and accommodating the urge to violence makes it easier to maintain civility when violence is undesirable.

    Historically, the cultures with the most refined manners were those in which violence was most common-- and we can observe, even within our own lifetimes, that as the frequency of and tolerance for violence has decreased the standards for proper public conduct and decorum have likewise decreased.
    I'm not sure that this correlation has a causal relationship. It's hard to prove either way. There has always been violence, there always will be. That doesn't mean we should accomodate the urge to violence. Most childhood fights are over issues that aren't even worth fighting about.

    There is a reason we have outlawed fighting in our society. I highly doubt if we legalized fighting that people would become more polite.

    You can acknowledge the urge by saying, "I understand that you are mad. You have every right to be mad. But there are healthier ways to deal with this emotion."
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Most childhood fights are over issues that aren't even worth fighting about.
    Of course. The fight isn't about the argument, the argument is an excuse for the fight. If the fight can be said to serve any purpose at all, it's as an expression of hierarchical aggression-- but considering how such fights can break out between two children with a stable and long-standing relationship, I doubt even that is really the case.

    The fight is an end in and of itself. I think it would serve us better, psychologically and sociologically, if we accepted that for what it is and allowed it to occur under safer, controlled conditions rather than suppressing and denying it.

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    There is a reason we have outlawed fighting in our society. I highly doubt if we legalized fighting that people would become more polite.
    I am quite convinced that it would in the long run, though there would certainly be a brief period in which people would abuse this newfound freedom until they became reacquainted with the natural consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You can acknowledge the urge by saying, "I understand that you are mad. You have every right to be mad. But there are healthier ways to deal with this emotion."
    Anger is closely related to aggression, but they are not the same thing. And considering how most "enlightened" and "civilized" people handle their feelings of anger and aggression... I am not in the least bit convinced that the socially accepted ways of acknowledging and expressing them are healthier than trading punches.

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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    How many of man's natural tendencies are we supposed to accommodate?

    Should we start allowing the 30 year old man to, legally, date the 17 year old?
    Only recently has the old-marrying-the-young become a social taboo.

    I am not disenfranchising your sources Korimyr, but what do you have when it comes to the most violent being the best mannered (I guess if we can conceive of a "best manner".) I'm genuinely interested.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Of course. The fight isn't about the argument, the argument is an excuse for the fight. If the fight can be said to serve any purpose at all, it's as an expression of hierarchical aggression-- but considering how such fights can break out between two children with a stable and long-standing relationship, I doubt even that is really the case.

    The fight is an end in and of itself. I think it would serve us better, psychologically and sociologically, if we accepted that for what it is and allowed it to occur under safer, controlled conditions rather than suppressing and denying it.
    Where does "hierarchical aggression" end and bullying begin? What recourse do weaker children have? They go home and beat up their little sister? Kick the dog?

    "Safe violence" is an oxymoron. Ask Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini about it. A school is putting themselves at a liability for endorsing this as a policy of conflict resolution.




    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I am quite convinced that it would in the long run, though there would certainly be a brief period in which people would abuse this newfound freedom until they became reacquainted with the natural consequences.
    The steroid freaks would rule society. The Wild West was hardly more civilized than society today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Anger is closely related to aggression, but they are not the same thing. And considering how most "enlightened" and "civilized" people handle their feelings of anger and aggression... I am not in the least bit convinced that the socially accepted ways of acknowledging and expressing them are healthier than trading punches.
    If a drunk driver hits my parked car. I am going to be mad. I could beat him up. This is no guarantee that he won't drive drunk again. It won't fix my car. It won't increase the resale value of my car when I sell it thus making me angry again.

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