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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

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    That's funny right there.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    How in the heck can some of you condone kids beating the crap outta each other? What next: fight clubs in high school where you go and cheer your kids on as they beat each other to death via fightclub style?

    Also I thought they took bullying in school much more serious these days and are trying to wipe out bullying? If you think tossing two kids in a cage is gonna help aid getting rid of bullying in schools? You are wrong.

    What happens when one of these kids get hit too hard and end up Dead? Are all of you gonna be cheering this on? Do you all know what boxing can do to your brain? I guess some of you do not give a crap if your kids get brain damage?

    Good clean fun. I used to box, and I don't have drain bramage.


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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

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    I firmly believe one of the biggest problems with people today is that they never have taken a punch in the face.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    I was working up a thread in my mind over the past few days, where I was going to discuss why the rise of the UFC(and MMA) in popularity in the US was important and a positive impact on our society and its youth in particular. After reading this thread, most of what I would have argued and other points I wouldn't have, seem to be sufficiently covered.

    Like it or not, fighting is a way to solve problems on just about every level. We need to be a society of warriors, and having a public display such as the one the UFC puts on, is a positive model for us to embrace. Now before anybody goes off the deep end, I have trained young kids in basic MMA techniques. Some as young as 4-5. What they learn in those classes is not simply about beating up people. They learn how to fight back, but they also learn to respect their opponents(and themselves), and they also learn when to stop which is probably the most important thing for them to learn. Its the ones who have no training or discipline that you have to worry about in a fight. The ones that have the parameters built into them from a young age are fine for the most part.

    As for the school, they'll likely lose a suit and deservedly so. Although I agree with the idea of a boxing ring(or cage in this instance) in a school for this purpose(as long as it supervised), they didn't get parental permission. If you need parents to sign a slip so you can go to the museum, you are going to need one for them to participate in a physical act of this nature.

    I'd actually go so far, to say that I would like to see self-defense classes taught at the jr. high/high school level as part of the physical education classees.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I was working up a thread in my mind over the past few days, where I was going to discuss why the rise of the UFC(and MMA) in popularity in the US was important and a positive impact on our society and its youth in particular. After reading this thread, most of what I would have argued and other points I wouldn't have, seem to be sufficiently covered.

    Like it or not, fighting is a way to solve problems on just about every level. We need to be a society of warriors, and having a public display such as the one the UFC puts on, is a positive model for us to embrace. Now before anybody goes off the deep end, I have trained young kids in basic MMA techniques. Some as young as 4-5. What they learn in those classes is not simply about beating up people. They learn how to fight back, but they also learn to respect their opponents(and themselves), and they also learn when to stop which is probably the most important thing for them to learn. Its the ones who have no training or discipline that you have to worry about in a fight. The ones that have the parameters built into them from a young age are fine for the most part.

    As for the school, they'll likely lose a suit and deservedly so. Although I agree with the idea of a boxing ring(or cage in this instance) in a school for this purpose(as long as it supervised), they didn't get parental permission. If you need parents to sign a slip so you can go to the museum, you are going to need one for them to participate in a physical act of this nature.

    I'd actually go so far, to say that I would like to see self-defense classes taught at the jr. high/high school level as part of the physical education classees.
    The UFC is competition, not conflict resolution. I have no problem with people learning various disciplines in self defense or hand to hand combat. But in martial arts, you are taught never to practice the art in anger. Tucker mentioned this truth earlier. Boxing is a technical thinking sport. When you are angry, you lose technique and overlook openings (singles) in favor of the big knockout blow (the home run). There's fighting and there's fighting. It's the physical temper tantrums that I oppose. I disagree that it solves anything.

    I love the UFC BTW.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ever see a hockey game? fights keep the cheap shots in check.
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    They sure do.
    The Europeans don't allow fighting and that is when the sticks get used and it gets dangerous.
    The Soviets were masters at cheap shots, but they certainly have cleaned up their act since their best players have joined the NHL.

    This reminds me of the good 'ol days; Broad Street Bullies... Big Bad Bruins.

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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    YouTube - hockey CZE - CAN MS 2005 fight (Bitka) + Ryan SMyth




    european hockey fighting.....


    They fight like chicks.



    And note the 3rd men in, the lack of "code". This is all because they took fighting out of eurohockey.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The UFC is competition, not conflict resolution. I have no problem with people learning various disciplines in self defense or hand to hand combat. But in martial arts, you are taught never to practice the art in anger. Tucker mentioned this truth earlier. Boxing is a technical thinking sport. When you are angry, you lose technique and overlook openings (singles) in favor of the big knockout blow (the home run). There's fighting and there's fighting. It's the physical temper tantrums that I oppose. I disagree that it solves anything.

    I love the UFC BTW.
    Of course the UFC is competition. But its a display of physical agression as well. You don't win by running away, or by winning a philisophical debate about a topic. You win by beating your opponent up more than he does you. Thats important for us to hold dear in our culture, because there are simply situations where being the more physically aggressive party is going to save your skin.

    What having these competitions in a school does, is provides a safer outlet for the anger that will likely be unleashed anyway. But its done with protective gear, under supervision. Is it better for two kids to square off, with gloves, headgear, and a mouth piece or have one kid tackle another from behind and start beating his head into the floor and his friends join in kicking him while he's down.

    Denying or trying to suppress our natural tendencies to the level we pretend that we shouldn't have an outlet for them is more dangerous and unhealthy IMO, than throwing on some gloves and having at it.
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Of course the UFC is competition. But its a display of physical agression as well. You don't win by running away, or by winning a philisophical debate about a topic. You win by beating your opponent up more than he does you. Thats important for us to hold dear in our culture, because there are simply situations where being the more physically aggressive party is going to save your skin.

    What having these competitions in a school does, is provides a safer outlet for the anger that will likely be unleashed anyway. But its done with protective gear, under supervision. Is it better for two kids to square off, with gloves, headgear, and a mouth piece or have one kid tackle another from behind and start beating his head into the floor and his friends join in kicking him while he's down.

    Denying or trying to suppress our natural tendencies to the level we pretend that we shouldn't have an outlet for them is more dangerous and unhealthy IMO, than throwing on some gloves and having at it.
    Knowing how to defend yourself is something we should hold dear. I agree.

    But I don't think all people are responsible enough with knowledge of this sort. I don't think it should be mandatorily taught in schools for this reason. I could support an elective course though.

    I have not said that we should deny or suppress these natural tendencies. We can channel them into something positive. Are you against anger management classes? You see, no matter what, there are instances where you can't resort to fisticuffs. Do you throw gloves and headgear to your wife when you argue? Did you do this with your mother, teacher, clergy, police officers, drill instructors, judges, mayor, neighbor, etc? Are you denying or suppressing natural tendencies in these situations? Do you consider that to be more dangerous and unhealthy?
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    Re: US high school 'held cage fights'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Knowing how to defend yourself is something we should hold dear. I agree.

    If you never defended yourself, you DO NOT KNOW how to defend yourself.


    Refer to my statement re: being punched in the face.
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