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A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

jallman said:
It most certainly is the government's fault these guys are getting death threats!
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It is the fault of the people making death threats nothing more.
 
winston53660 said:
It is the fault of the people making death threats nothing more.
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So you believe the Nazi leaders and their propaganda arm were not responsible for the actions of incited citizens?

That is what you are saying.

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winston53660 said:
It is the fault of the people making death threats nothing more.
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I agree that it is, ultimately, the fault of the ones making the threats. However, to deny that it has been exacerbated by Frank's, Dodd's, Pelosi's...hell, almost the entire democratic congress's misdirection in the face of their own failings.

Only a blind man would fail to see how Dodd and Frank, especially, compounded this already bad situation.
 
zimmer said:
So you believe the Nazi leaders and their propaganda arm were not responsible for the actions of incited citizens?

That is what you are saying.

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Are you seriously trying to compare our current form of government to Nazi Germany?:lol:
 
jallman said:
I agree that it is, ultimately, the fault of the ones making the threats. However, to deny that it has been exacerbated by Frank's, Dodd's, Pelosi's...hell, almost the entire democratic congress's misdirection in the face of their own failings.

Only a blind man would fail to see how Dodd and Frank, especially, compounded this already bad situation.
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Everyone is outraged Republicans included, I'm outraged, I'm not making death threats.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Death threats are uncool but the people in the AIG division who created AIG's mess should be exposed and ridiculed.
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Yet those threats don't extend to Sen. Dodd (who received big campaign contributions from AIG and then protected these bonuses) or Barney Frank (who with Dodd is probably more singlularly responsible for this economic disaster as anyone).

Notice that Fannie and Freddie are giving out bonuses, too. Where's the outrage, Barney?
 
winston53660 said:
Everyone is outraged Republicans included, I'm outraged, I'm not making death threats.
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I think I am not being clear enough. Dodd and Frank intentionally gave a target to the crazies that are out there. They scapegoated. Frank made a pretty open threat during the hearings to do this, too, by leaking names of execs to the press.

You can't honestly tell me this wasn't handled about as poorly as it could have been.
 
jallman said:
I think I am not being clear enough. Dodd and Frank intentionally gave a target to the crazies that are out there. They scapegoated. Frank made a pretty open threat during the hearings to do this, too, by leaking names of execs to the press.

You can't honestly tell me this wasn't handled about as poorly as it could have been.
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This is like blaming Ozzy Osbourne because some kid shot himself. The responsibility for the death threats lies with the people making them.

BTW I do think the situation is a fiasco and Frnk is grandstanding enjoying his moment in the limelight. I also think the 90% bonus tax law is UnConstitutional and I hope Obama vetoes it. If he vetoes just watch the nutwads come out.
 
1) The idea that these individual AIG employees are all uniformly worthy of such hatred is idiotic and belies a complete lack of understanding of how offices work. I'd wager that 98% of the people involved this stuff had absolutely no idea what could happen and were not intending to do anything wrong.

2) This **** is just retarded:

And there may be more protests. The Connecticut Working Families party, which has support from organized labor, was planning a bus tour Saturday of A.I.G. executives’ homes, with a stop at the company’s Wilton office.

‘‘We’re going to be peaceful and lawful in everything we do,’’ said Jon Green, the director of Connecticut Working Families. ‘‘I know there’s a lot of anger and a lot of rage about what’s happened. We’re not looking to foment that unnecessarily, but what we want to do is give folks in Bridgeport and Hartford and other parts of Connecticut who are struggling and losing their homes and their jobs and their health insurance an opportunity to see what kinds of lifestyle billions of dollars in credit-default swaps can buy.’’
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**** these assholes.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Sure it is, who demanded the names? who contractually made it law they recieved them, who then pretended to be outraged?
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Bull ****ing ****, the only who are to blame are the idiots doing the death threats, not the governments.

Go cry me a river.
 
jallman said:
It most certainly is the government's fault these guys are getting death threats!

Are you telling me that the mob Frank, Dodd, and Pelosi whipped up against these execs for accepting what was written into the bill, at the insistence of the government, is somehow their fault?
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I'm saying the idiots that are doing the death threats are to blame. PERIOD. The fact the hyper-partisan bunch is blaming the government is not only a sophomoric argument, but fails to put blame on the idiots doing the threats and puts it on the government. Talk about your idiotic statements coming from the anti-Obama crowd.
 
TheNextEra said:
Bull ****ing ****, the only who are to blame are the idiots doing the death threats, not the governments.

Go cry me a river.
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So there is no such thing as laws about "inciting".... what a hole you live in.


They created this mess, then riled up the crowd.


AIG is down though so I thank them.... time to buy more. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So there is no such thing as laws about "inciting".... what a hole you live in.


They created this mess, then riled up the crowd.


AIG is down though so I thank them.... time to buy more. :lol:
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Then Bush has incited all riots dealing with anti-Iraq war protests and he should be placed in jail for inciting those riots correct? Gimme a break.
 
jallman said:
I think I am not being clear enough. Dodd and Frank intentionally gave a target to the crazies that are out there. They scapegoated. Frank made a pretty open threat during the hearings to do this, too, by leaking names of execs to the press.

You can't honestly tell me this wasn't handled about as poorly as it could have been.
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Agreed...it's an absolute ****storm. I suppose it's no surprise that so many folks lack critical thinking skills and accept everything they read blithely, and then act in shameful ways (death threats). While I think a company that is accepting taxpayer bailout money has a responsibility to be extremely cautious about it's use and curtail such things as bonuses, it was just as much the fault of the corrupt members of our government who have a vested interest in distracting us from the real issues. The media is a willing ally.

The whole debacle sickens me.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
nonsense.... please focus. Bush is not the president.
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Please focus, there is a comparison of inciting riots that YOU brought up, therefore the comparison is fair game. Don't like it, don't bring it up and go run away.

Otherwise it stands Bush incited those riots using your logic and should be jailed.
 
There's a difference between being legally responsible and simply being responsible. Obviously, nothing that anyone in Congress did constitutes inciting to violence under the law. However, it's pretty obvious that a lot of people stirred up a lot of **** against these people for political reasons.

If someone ends up getting killed after a politician demonized them and then released their name to the public, I would certainly consider that politician to be at least partially responsible.
 
TheNextEra said:
Please focus, there is a comparison of inciting riots that YOU brought up, therefore the comparison is fair game. Don't like it, don't bring it up and go run away.

Otherwise it stands Bush incited those riots using your logic and should be jailed.
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oh boy, there is always "that guy", i guess you are gonna be him.....



look, you want to excuse the abhorrent behavior of your party by bring up a rediculous strawman, thats fine, just don't think obnoxious responses are gonna get me to play. :rofl
 
RightinNYC said:
There's a difference between being legally responsible and simply being responsible. Obviously, nothing that anyone in Congress did constitutes inciting to violence under the law. However, it's pretty obvious that a lot of people stirred up a lot of **** against these people for political reasons.

If someone ends up getting killed after a politician demonized them and then released their name to the public, I would certainly consider that politician to be at least partially responsible.
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I don't I hold personal responsibility to the person making the death threats.

I was pissed at the Bush adminisrtation much of the 8 years, I didn't go making death threats to Bush.

Where is the personal responsibility?
 
winston53660 said:
They created the mess? LOL. There is more then blame to go around for AIGs downfall
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they created the bonus mess by writing a requirment to pay them into it then playing stupid about it.


AIG ran the company into the ground, dodd, and the obama admin, secured thier bonuses.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
oh boy, there is always "that guy", i guess you are gonna be him.....



look, you want to excuse the abhorrent behavior of your party by bring up a rediculous strawman, thats fine, just don't think obnoxious responses are gonna get me to play. :rofl
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I didn't excuse the death threats, so try again. You are the one making silly accusations that the government incited riots, that is what is ridiculous.
 
TheNextEra said:
I didn't excuse the death threats, so try again. You are the one making silly accusations that the government incited riots, that is what is ridiculous.
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you are making excuses for dodd and the obama admin with your line of thought.
 
TheNextEra said:
I don't I hold personal responsibility to the person making the death threats.

I was pissed at the Bush adminisrtation much of the 8 years, I didn't go making death threats to Bush.

Where is the personal responsibility?
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Do you understand that it's possible for more than one person to be responsible for something?

Obviously, the person doing the action bears the most responsibility. However, the person who made it possible for that person to act bears some responsibility as well.
 
RightinNYC said:
Do you understand that it's possible for more than one person to be responsible for something?
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Yes, I do, but in this case sorry I don't see it.

These idiots made death threats, that's on them and noone else.
otherwise you would have to hold the government responsible for EVERY riot that has occured do to it's decisions, the Iraq War, Bosnia, etc.

I don't hold accountable the government for people acting like idiots.
 
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