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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't agree with the threatening of thi families one bit, but to blame it on the government is idiotic.
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    Congress specifically provided for these bonuses a couple of stimulus bills ago. Thats confirmed. NOW they turn around and toss these people under the bus in a political move to divert attention from what they did. They rant and rave decrying these people when congress in fact created this entire situation.

    This is a deliberate move to monopolize the news cycle and turn eyes away from the bankers coup that just served up on a silver platter by the administration and their henchmen in congress. I will go on record saying look for rising oil prices soon and hyperinflation within the next year and a half perpetrated by congress and the administration specifically at the orders of the owners of the federal reserve. This "crisis" was engineered by the federal reserve for over a decade by the deliberate manipulation of interest rates in order to create a giant housing bubble. All aided of course by a puppet congress and a puppet president.

    Throwing blame on the government would be quite accurate but throwing blame on ourselves for electing them into office would be even more accurate.
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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Congress specifically provided for these bonuses a couple of stimulus bills ago. Thats confirmed. NOW they turn around and toss these people under the bus in a political move to divert attention from what they did. They rant and rave decrying these people when congress in fact created this entire situation.

    This is a deliberate move to monopolize the news cycle and turn eyes away from the bankers coup that just served up on a silver platter by the administration and their henchmen in congress. I will go on record saying look for rising oil prices soon and hyperinflation within the next year and a half perpetrated by congress and the administration specifically at the orders of the owners of the federal reserve. This "crisis" was engineered by the federal reserve for over a decade by the deliberate manipulation of interest rates in order to create a giant housing bubble. All aided of course by a puppet congress and a puppet president.

    Throwing blame on the government would be quite accurate but throwing blame on ourselves for electing them into office would be even more accurate.
    Yep the government is to blame for idiots threatening the lives of AIG people.

    Let's not put the blame on the idiots threatening the people's lives, but let's put it on the government instead right?

    Personal Responsibility has totally escaped some conservatives thus making them hypocrites to the fullest.

    Let's blame the government instead of the idiots threatening the lives of people.

    I mean if during the Bush administration someone incited a riot over the Iraq war, you know where 4,000 of our people were killed, that is the fault of the people, but idiots threatening the lives of AIG people and that is the fault of the government. Yeah that sounds right
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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep the government is to blame for idiots threatening the lives of AIG people.

    Let's not put the blame on the idiots threatening the people's lives, but let's put it on the government instead right?

    Personal Responsibility has totally escaped some conservatives thus making them hypocrites to the fullest.

    Let's blame the government instead of the idiots threatening the lives of people.

    I mean if during the Bush administration someone incited a riot over the Iraq war, you know where 4,000 of our people were killed, that is the fault of the people, but idiots threatening the lives of AIG people and that is the fault of the government. Yeah that sounds right


    Ahh the larger picture situation is entirely the governments fault if you consider the D-CT Senator to blame for GIVING the AIG bonuses. He already accepted responsibility publicly saying the OBAMA administration had him do it.

    Who wrote the AIG loophole?



    These people receiving the bonuses were merely setup.

    They deserve no threats or intimidation. The entirety of their bonus package collectively is less than 7% of what congress just threw out the window.

    People issuing threats of any kind to these people need to be charged and tried and appropriate measures taken. They are merely staked out goats set in place to lure hungry angry mobs away from the Frankensteins in congress.
    (Mad scientists might be more appropriate.)

    I just think that laws should apply to the instigators of this crisis as well.
    I hope I was able to straighten you out if you thought I was somehow in favor of threatening AIG people or in any way supportive of those who do.
    In your last analogy you neglect many decades/centuries of foundational information however.

    Pro personal responsibility in case that was not clear.
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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep the government is to blame for idiots threatening the lives of AIG people.

    Let's not put the blame on the idiots threatening the people's lives, but let's put it on the government instead right?

    Personal Responsibility has totally escaped some conservatives thus making them hypocrites to the fullest.

    Let's blame the government instead of the idiots threatening the lives of people.

    I mean if during the Bush administration someone incited a riot over the Iraq war, you know where 4,000 of our people were killed, that is the fault of the people, but idiots threatening the lives of AIG people and that is the fault of the government. Yeah that sounds right
    I have this weird feeling of deja vu...

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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is simply history repeating itself.
    When has our government pin pointed private individuals in the manner we are experiencing now?

    Anyone? An example?


    For a long time we have had a group of wealthy executives who have been vastly overpaid and incompetent.
    That is a decision made between their Board of Directors and Shareholders.

    Executive compensation is not a government matter.
    It is now because government is funding winners and losers.

    If execs are overpaid, are you going to endorse going after basketball players, football players, baseball players and Hollyweird?

    These people and their salaries have inflated the price of tickets of our national entertainment. It's time to start "fixing" these people up real good. Let's start with Hollyweird.

    They justified their greed by claiming that they were just paid on their good performance. The shortsightedness led to to ruin and took the economy down with them.
    Executive compensation didn't tank the economy.
    Government intervention into the market did.

    Fannie and Freddie started the ball rolling.
    Government companies with no oversight.
    Though the Two F's had 200 people only looking at their performance they never reported anything negative. Wonder why after the show Maxine Waters and Barney Frank put on some years ago with those warning about impending troubles.


    Now, even after they clearly have shown how incompetent they are, they still ask for the same money.
    Government inserted the bonuses.
    Dodd specifically.

    You really do eat the poop these people shovel your way.
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    There's a select few that get executive compensation.

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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Ahh the larger picture situation is entirely the governments fault if you consider the D-CT Senator to blame for GIVING the AIG bonuses.
    Again, whatever the government passes, does not mean that these idiots have the right to threaten families, nor is it the governments fault that these idiots are doing it.

    If someone such as myself can refrain from making death threats to the Bush administration when they were in charge just because I was upset with their policies, so can anyone else.

    Blaming the government for people making death threats, is both idiotic and childish.

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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    AIG should face scorn ... but its not the employees fault.

    AIG should be broken up in to smaller companies, just like ATT and standard oil was.

    Nothing should be to big to fail.
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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

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    AIG should face scorn ... but its not the employees fault.
    True. They did not write the compensation law, and force to have it passed before anyone could read and debate it.

    AIG should be broken up in to smaller companies, just like ATT and standard oil was.
    Yep. Dissolve it. It's damaged goods now. It's got the equivalent of HIV.

    Nothing should be to big to fail.
    The Socialists of Amerika Party (SAPs), aka Democrats are trying to prove it.
    They're trying to see if Amerika can go the same way as the USSR.
    Bankrupt. Fiscally and morally.

    I think we should go back and see what and when AIG was being derailed.
    Was it after The Whore Monger Spitzer set out to cripple the company by politically assassinating its CEO so he could be replaced by a politically more palatable CEO?

    There are indications this is the case.

    Spitzer tried similar strong arm tactics with Grasso at the NYSE.

    Spitzer as Victim - WSJ.com
    Spared a criminal charge, Mr. Spitzer is now re-emerging to offer advice on how to reregulate Wall Street and to assert that he was right all along about everything (save the call girls). The man who forced new management on Marsh & McLennan and AIG, to the great detriment of their shareholders, now points to AIG's failure as evidence of his success. But of course no one knows what would have happened to AIG had Mr. Spitzer not forced the company's board to fire Hank Greenberg as CEO on dubious grounds; what we do know is that the managers who replaced Mr. Greenberg three years ago, to the pleasure of Mr. Spitzer, had no idea what they were doing.

    Mr. Spitzer stretched the limits of such statutes as the notorious Martin Act to threaten to destroy companies and individuals that refused to settle without going to trial.

    Far from being a victim, he was essentially unchecked by others in government or the media. His power made the man think he could get away with anything. It takes remarkable nerve now for Eliot Spitzer to invoke the financial meltdown as personal vindication.

    Spitzer Overreaches in Case Against Grasso, Langone
    New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer has made himself the darling of the media and a ďheroĒ for the little guy through years of aggressive legal action against any corporate boogieman he could dredge up and bully into a headline-grabbing settlement. Those who havenít bought into the Spitzer craze have complained that he has dramatically expanded government, grabbed new power for himself, and supplanted more appropriate regulatory forums all while primping for television cameras and bouncing from one soft-ball interview to another.

    This information directly supports criticsí claims that Spitzer has dramatically overreached in his pursuit of Grasso and Langone. And while Spitzer certainly grabbed headlines by putting the NYSE execs in his crosshairs, itís increasing obvious that his case is full of holes.

    Taken together, this new information severely undermines Spitzerís case and his motives for bringing it...

    All of this begs the question: Why should New York taxpayers continue to foot the bill to the tune of millions of dollars for Spitzer to pursue a lame case?

    Perhaps itís because New York taxpayers donít realize that Spitzer is funding his public relations and lawsuit binge with their money. Maybe if his many cheerleaders in the media could detach their lips from his posterior for a moment or two, New Yorkers would begin to understand who Eliot Spitzer really is and what heís really up to.
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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

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    I'm not alone. My grandfather had to flee Egypt after Nassr's nationalist uprising and I can't blame him for it. There's no reason to live in fear in your own country. Do you think these executives are just going to stay here and get slaughtered by a mob of ignorant people? We're getting dangerously close to the persecution against the "vampiric Jew." They're going to leave and then who's going to be left to run America's businesses? Barney Frank? Nancy Pelosi? Good luck with that.
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    Especially when people fought and won my freedom and spared a nation.

    There is nothing like America.
    Witnessing this is sad.

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    Re: A.I.G. executives face scorn, even at their homes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Hey I agree with you on this

    They don't deserve to have their lives threatened nor their families
    I agree.

    They are experiencing the wrath of people who lost their jobs because of the business practices of AIG and other firms.

    These people who took $1,000,000.00 in bonus money that was funded by taxpayer dollars.

    It sucks to be them.

    I wonder if any of them will have the class to return the money.

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