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Obama calls for new start with Iran

Obama by this act told Iran they won.

Its Obam admitting the 'west" or at the very least the USA under him..is emtpy adn bendaable to Irans will.



Threaten and you will get what you desire out of Obama.

Russia proved that by threatening our allies in Europe and having Obama send them a letter declaring he would give in on it for their help with Iran..
Iran is now proving once again that Obama will give in to threats.

That both countries in the end told him to piss off in favor of continuing their actions ,.is no shock..they totally expect and should totally expect more apeasment offers from him.


The Left likes to act like talking is a new thing..EU negotiated with Iran on this for almost a decade.
 
It was a quagmire when he said it. Still is, just a different one.

It is lost and we can't "win".

Iraq was never a quagmire, and not only did we win the war, we've won the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq who are now free to hold democratic elections.

Please feel free to thank President Bush for standing firm on his principles, and leading us through this great victory. :2wave:
 
My favorite bit is how he says this will "not be advanced by the use of threats from Iran"

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They threatened and what is Obama doing?


YouTube - Hello McFLY
 
Gotcha, kind of like Kennedy calling Iraq a quagmire or Reid saying the Iraq war is lost, US can't win.


.......or Kennedy forecasting thousands of American body bags over the Gulf War....or that the road to Baghdad would be paved with American blood....or the entire left describing an Iraqi "civil War" or......

The problems with protestors is that they easily allow their protests to define the reality and thusly becoming as BS as those they protest.
 
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Look beyond the words.

This "new start" is exactly the talk that needs to be put out there. With the Taliban continuing to bleed and military drones continuing to blast radicals and extremists in Pakistan....do people really think that Obama is clouded or jaded over what Iran is? I keep saying this...."Obama is no Carter."

If Europeans need to hear this kind of talk coming out of Washington to feel warm and cozy about the world they live in then so be it. But the truth of Iran does not escape Washington. Obama made same conditions without the last administration's bluntness. He talked about the responsibility Iran would have to embrace to take its seat at the international big boy table and remarked about a greater focus on building and creation vice destruction. Like the Islamic terrorists that makes impossible demands just for the sake of continuing the fight, Obama is giving Iran two choices; turn away from its four decade quest for nuclear arms and its support for Hezbollah and rhetoric of a destroyed Israel ....or.... just acknowledge what the world already knows about it, which is that it will not stop until it extends power over the Middle Eastern region.

Bush wrote Iran off as the terrorist loving destructive nation it is. Obama is merely giving Iran a chance to prove it. I've warned and warned that Bush supporters and Obama worshippers have only petty party enslavement keeping them from realizing how alike they are.
 
It was a quagmire when he said it. Still is, just a different one.

Only top those who used the media to define the event and to those who secretly hope that Iraq fails.


It is lost and we can't "win".

Iraq is won. Marines have been wasting their time deploying to Iraq since the summer of last year and are eager to start pumping in greater numbers to Afghanistan. Recent democratic elections in Iraq was praised by the UN and even the French (two entities that demanded Hussein be preserved since the Gulf War). And international business is becoming more and more savvy to the locale. Now that the writing is on the wall and American troops are on the way out, the media (NPR) finds it convenient to produce stories of Iraqis who are worried about America's departure. Sink or swim, American troops accomplished the goal. They have their opportunity now. Sink or swim. It's up to them as it was always going to be.

But if you are waiting for the enemy (an enemy largely gone from Iraq) to come to a table and sign a surrender notice then be prepared to label everything we do in this century as "losing."
 
Obama calls for new start with Iran

As the new President of the U.S. it is wise to take this kind of initiative instead of assuming that past rhetoric still stands, but I'm wondering what Obama will suggest if Iran does continue making threats.

If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"

This farcical and embarrassing attempt only illustrates the blatant naiveté' and stupidity of a President that had reached his "peter principal" when he became a US Senator.
 
If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"

Not exactly; they just put forth preconditions on which the US government (and yourself) cannot budge - the funding of Israel.
 
The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed. :lol:
 
If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"


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If memory sereves me right it was Bush 43 thaat said shove it to Iran unlike Reagan who traded arms with them. Carter said shove to Iran aswell IMO with good reason. What good reason exists to tell Iran to shove it? The hostage crisis was over 25 yrs ago.
 
If memory sereves me right it was Bush 43 thaat said shove it to Iran unlike Reagan who traded arms with them. Carter said shove to Iran aswell IMO with good reason. What good reason exists to tell Iran to shove it? The hostage crisis was over 25 yrs ago.

More revisionist history. Carters meddling was the demise of the Shah's regime which is why we are where we are with them today.
 
The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed. :lol:
I think you'll have a hard time supporting that assertion.
 
Not exactly; they just put forth preconditions on which the US government (and yourself) cannot budge - the funding of Israel.

Well you would be WRONG as usual then; apparently your selective perceptions won't permit you to see the whole story so I shall help you:

Khamenei set the bar impossibly high - demanding an overhaul of U.S. foreign policy, including giving up "unconditional support" for Israel and halting claims that Iran is seeking nuclear arms. Iran insists its nuclear program is only for peaceful energy purposes.

Iran's response to US shows mind-set of leadership

But the irony of Obama's weak ineffectual start in dealing with a Pariah State which sponsors Arab terrorism is the following:

"Despite Obama's offer, the State Department still lists Iran as a sponsor of terrorism for its backing of militant groups such as Lebanon's Hezbollah. In Iraq, U.S. officials accuse Iran of aiding Shiite militias whose targets have included American soldiers."

Obama's child like naiveté' to world politics is about as juvenile as his economic policies that puts Americans into a $1.8 trillion deficit this year with a projected $9.3 trillion for the next nine years.

Here's my favorite response from the despot thugs running Iran:

"He (Obama) insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed."

Still, Khamenei left the door open to better ties with America, saying "should you change, our behavior will change, too."


Imagine the President of the most powerful nation on earth sending a trite little video of overture to a bunch of terrorist sponsoring thugs thinking this will make them like us more. It sure doesn't make me feel safer and if anything makes the world a far more dangerous place.

Carry on. :roll:
 
The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed. :lol:

It's ironic that you don't find your incessant whines about partisanship on a political debate forum equally hilarious.

Do you even get it? Do you think that one can have POLITICAL debates without PARTISANSHIP?

Your selective outrage about partisanship are trite and amusing. :roll:
 
It's ironic that you don't find your incessant whines about partisanship on a political debate forum equally hilarious.

Do you even get it? Do you think that one can have POLITICAL debates without PARTISANSHIP?

Your selective outrage about partisanship are trite and amusing. :roll:
It's okay, I know you guys don't like to be called out on your Chicken Little mentality.

:laughat::elephantf
 
If memory sereves me right it was Bush 43 thaat said shove it to Iran unlike Reagan who traded arms with them. Carter said shove to Iran aswell IMO with good reason. What good reason exists to tell Iran to shove it? The hostage crisis was over 25 yrs ago.

What does this have to do with my comment?

Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"


What history do you read that suggests that Reagan was the ONLY one who traded arms with Iran? That history goes back to the 1950's and was a direct result of Soviet Communist attempts to support the regimes of Iraq, Syria and Egypt and institute Communism into the Middle East.

What history do you read that suggests Carter told Iran to "shove it"? Do you have anything specific and factual to support this claim?

Once more we see your propensity to wander OFF the topic and into the typical distorted history we see from people who desperately attempt to support misguided Liberal foreign policy.

If we look back at history, we see that Democrats always seem to be in charge when wars started; WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam Wars all started with Democrats in charge. Why is that?
 
It's okay, I know you guys don't like to be called out on your Chicken Little mentality.

:laughat::elephantf

You call people out? What an interesting yet trite notion. The only thing you incessantly call out is your inane assertions that facts are somehow "right wing partisanship."

Facts apparently are NOT your friend much like it is desperately avoided by your "Liberal" friends.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your trite child like notions about the evils of "right wing" partisanship while selectively ignoring the "left wing" variety.

By the way just for edification, who did you vote for?

:roll:
 
You call people out? What an interesting yet trite notion. The only thing you incessantly call out is your inane assertions that facts are somehow "right wing partisanship."

Facts apparently are NOT your friend much like it is desperately avoided by your "Liberal" friends.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your trite child like notions about the evils of "right wing" partisanship while selectively ignoring the "left wing" variety.
Facts? Go look at the 1st page of this thread. Hellhound, Goobieman, Zimmer.. All doing the Chicken Little dance. Sorry you missed it. :lol:

By the way just for edification, who did you vote for?
Ron Paul.
 
What chicken little dance? quote me.

Here are the quotes I found amusing.. A lot of them were pretty defeatist.

On the 1 to 10 MORON SCALE... this is a 9.

Why?
Because these folks see this as a signal of absolute weakness.

This is a dumb move.

hooray iranian nukes! :roll:

Yes... and every moment of conversation is a moment closer to a nuclear-capable Iran; once that point is reached, the conversation is over.

Obama by this act told Iran they won.

Its Obam admitting the 'west" or at the very least the USA under him..is emtpy adn bendaable to Irans will.

Threaten and you will get what you desire out of Obama.
 
What does this have to do with my comment?

Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"


What history do you read that suggests that Reagan was the ONLY one who traded arms with Iran? That history goes back to the 1950's and was a direct result of Soviet Communist attempts to support the regimes of Iraq, Syria and Egypt and institute Communism into the Middle East.

What history do you read that suggests Carter told Iran to "shove it"? Do you have anything specific and factual to support this claim?

Once more we see your propensity to wander OFF the topic and into the typical distorted history we see from people who desperately attempt to support misguided Liberal foreign policy.

If we look back at history, we see that Democrats always seem to be in charge when wars started; WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam Wars all started with Democrats in charge. Why is that?
That bolded bit. Carter sent a letter to Khomeini Duck, it is supposed to be something quite the opposite of "shove it".
He won't release it.

Iranians Say Carter Asked to Aid Hostages - The New York Times

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Facts? Go look at the 1st page of this thread. Hellhound, Goobieman, Zimmer.. All doing the Chicken Little dance. Sorry you missed it. :lol:

So you think equating the current recession as equal to the "great depression" isn't “chicken little” and an attempt to fear monger in an effort to promote a Liberal agenda that is sinking this nation into a 9.3 trillion deficit for the next nine years?

You have a funny definition of the term; but this can be explained by your "selective" outrage at those on the "right."

Carry on.
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Here are the quotes I found amusing.. A lot of them were pretty defeatist.
Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
On the 1 to 10 MORON SCALE... this is a 9.

Why?
Because these folks see this as a signal of absolute weakness.
I take it as an honor that you only gave my quote a 1 to 10 rating.

My reasoning is based on history.
Begging is weakness.
Obama did nothing.
In fact, they pissed all over his olive branch.
"Death to America" was chanted as the bearded guy was speaking.
THAT WAS THE MESSAGE... "DEATH TO AMERICA"

Here is a segment from a Presidential Brief to Ronald Reagan.
I think the logic is quite good considering the guy who wrote it knows the area, it's history and its customs... cold.

You might want to reverse that rating.
I'd say a 10 is fair.

And what is so "moronic" about my "absolute weakness" statement?

In this absurd
sequence of events, we compromised our principles and displayed a policy of
accommodation that was perceived in Iran and the rest of the world as weakness
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Each concession made to these criminals, without getting anything in return, has
only whetted their appetite and caused them to raise the ante. We have gone from
dispatching Ramsey Clark, beseeching Kurt Waldheim, embracing Valerian Cappuci to
involving all sorts of unpredictable and risky third party amateurs. We have been
grasping at straws, practicing capitulation and compromise in a futile attempt to appease
enraged outlaws
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As any competent negotiator, leader, politician or consumer knows, in order to get
anyone to negotiate with you in good faith they must believe that you can, and just might,
bring about intended effects, which they perceive might help them or hurt them.
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Neither a potential seller, nor the current Iranian Regime, will change their
negotiating posture unless they understand that we are capable of giving them something
that they want
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Obama was only grasping at straws.
AND USED THE BIGGEST STRAW FIRST.:doh
He looks weak to them.
To those in the region.

Does "DEATH TO AMERICA" when their leader is speaking mean anything?

Iranian Bugs:
Errr ahhh... What's up Doc?
What a ya gonna give me Big Guy?

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In all honesty I never thought Obama was going to take Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran off the table. I mean come on, look at the people the SOB surrounds himself with. Hillary being SoS is one big reason Obama wouldn't take war off the table. Its all smoke and mirrors to appease anti-war liberals and to say "Hey I tried". Mark my words, if Obama is a one term president he will push for war before he leaves.
 
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