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Obama calls for new start with Iran

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Obama calls for new start with Iran

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The United States wants to engage with the people of Iran and end a decades-long strained relationship, U.S. President Barack Obama said in a recorded message on Friday.

The video message, which contained Farsi subtitles, was timed to coincide with the Nowruz festival in Iran. Meaning "new day," the 12-day Nowruz holiday period marks the beginning of spring.

"So in this season of new beginnings I would like to speak clearly to Iran's leaders," Obama said in the video. "We have serious differences that have grown over time. My administration is now committed to diplomacy that addresses the full range of issues before us, and to pursuing constructive ties among the United States, Iran and the international community."

The message is an attempt to bypass Iranian government leaders to speak directly to Iranian citizens about the U.S. commitment to work with the country, White House officials said.

"For nearly three decades relations between our nations have been strained," Obama said in the video message, which was distributed to selected local media outlets and posted online. "But at this holiday we are reminded of the common humanity that binds us together."

Washington has been locked in a bitter dispute with Tehran over its nuclear ambitions and support for Islamic groups.

In the video, Obama compliments Iran on its "celebrated culture."

"We know that you are a great civilization, and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the United States and the world," the president said.

Obama urged the two countries to resolve their longstanding differences but said that cannot be done unless Iranian officials stop making threats.
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As the new President of the U.S. it is wise to take this kind of initiative instead of assuming that past rhetoric still stands, but I'm wondering what Obama will suggest if Iran does continue making threats.
 
Orius said:
Obama calls for new start with Iran

As the new President of the U.S. it is wise to take this kind of initiative instead of assuming that past rhetoric still stands, but I'm wondering what Obama will suggest if Iran does continue making threats.
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Is it a new start or "overcharge"?

Naive.
Foolish.
These people are going to use and abuse Obama like they did Carter.

Now we know what Carter was doing at the White House.

Explaining how to handle the Iranians Carter style.

Maybe Obama will send his good buddy Khalidi as envoy.

On the 1 to 10 MORON SCALE... this is a 9.

Why?
Because these folks see this as a signal of absolute weakness.


http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/UNDERSTANDING_ISLAM.pdf
http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/FINAL App-7 Terrorism and Media.pdf
http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/FINAL App-6 Reagan.pdf

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This statement pretty much kills the deal before it even get's started:

Obama urged the two countries to resolve their longstanding differences but said that cannot be done unless Iranian officials stop making threats

I'm sure Iran will be doing a 180 in regard to "wiping Israel off the map", because Obama is bringing a message of hope and change to the discussions.

I'm going out on a limb here, and am predicting that George Mitchell will be the fall guy for an Obama administrations failed middle east policy.

I think Hillary might have been smart enough to get pre conditions on this when signing on as SoS.
 
The message is an attempt to bypass Iranian government leaders to speak directly to Iranian citizens

President Obama may be talking to the people of Iran, but it's the government of Iran that supports terrorism, that wants to "wipe Ireal off the map" and that's trying to obtain nuclear devices to achieve those goals.

to think that our saying 'Let's talk" will change their goals is the utmost foolishness. In the Middle East, any indication of weakness (and the offer to open negotiations is a sign of weakness) will be taken advantage of. They may agree to talk, but all it will accomplish is to buy them more time to reach their goals.
 
Talks are great.

The question is, what is he prepared to do, once they fail?
 
Goobieman said:
Talks are great.

The question is, what is he prepared to do, once they fail?
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He's got video's working.

Perhaps he's got Twitter & Facebook in the works too.

It'll be fun to watch Obama & Ahmadinejad blog back and forth.
 
Iran responds:

"Obama has talked of change but has taken no practical measures to address America's past mistakes in Iran. If Mr. Obama takes concrete actions and makes fundamental changes in U.S. foreign policy toward other nations including Iran, the Iranian government and people will not turn their back on him," Ali Akbar Javanfekr told the Iranian state-run English-language Press TV satellite station.
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Iran plays down new Obama video message

"...has taken no practical measures to address America's past mistakes in Iran?"

What's he want? Reparations?
If so, The Obama is the guy to give them to him.
 
zimmer said:
Is it a new start or "overcharge"?

Naive.
Foolish.
These people are going to use and abuse Obama like they did Carter.

Now we know what Carter was doing at the White House.

Explaining how to handle the Iranians Carter style.

Maybe Obama will send his good buddy Khalidi as envoy.

On the 1 to 10 MORON SCALE... this is a 9.

Why?
Because these folks see this as a signal of absolute weakness.


http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/UNDERSTANDING_ISLAM.pdf
http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/FINAL App-7 Terrorism and Media.pdf
http://www.herbcohenonline.com/PDF/FINAL App-6 Reagan.pdf

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Right, this is the Bush admin view, we do whatever our opponents want. Bin Laden says the fight is in Iraq so we better stay and fight... Why do you suppose it's necessary for us to bend over to whatever the wacko's say?
 
Slippery Slope said:
How about we find out before we start talking about how it's just going to fail.
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The moment of failure is not the time to figure out what to do AT the moment of failure. :roll:

Besides, diplomacy backed by nothing is doomed to failure, every time, everywhere.
 
Slippery Slope said:
How about we find out before we start talking about how it's just going to fail.
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Yes... and every moment of conversation is a moment closer to a nuclear-capable Iran; once that point is reached, the conversation is over.

Personally, I like to plan ahead.
 
Who says the Obama admin doesn't have a plan? Just because you aren't privy to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm just saying let's not start the chicken little dance before the acorn even falls.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Who says the Obama admin doesn't have a plan? Just because you aren't privy to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm just saying let's not start the chicken little dance before the acorn even falls.
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Out one side of your mouth you're talking about not talking about what to do in case of failure until that failure ocours.

Out the other, you're suggesting that The Obama HAS talked about what to do in case there is a failure.

Close one side of your mouth. You pick which.
 
This is as smart a going on the Tonight Show. Cool move Obammy amd nice slur against all special olympic children you stupid jerk. Obammy, you have all the class your VP Joey does and you deserve every bit of it. Add to this the democrats threatening supoenas to get executives before congress much like Joe McCarthy and that old balck hag telling the CEO of Shell this government is going to take over the oil indusrtry these liberal lunatics are looking more and more like the Third Reich all over again.
 
Slippery Slope said:
It was a quagmire when he said it. Still is, just a different one.

It is lost and we can't "win".
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Man. You have seeing only what you want to see down to an exact science. :roll:
 
Goobieman said:
Out one side of your mouth you're talking about not talking about what to do in case of failure until that failure ocours.

Out the other, you're suggesting that The Obama HAS talked about what to do in case there is a failure.

Close one side of your mouth. You pick which.
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You're the one asking what he'll do if his plan fails.

I am suggesting that he's talked about it, do you have some evidence that he hasn't?

You're attack fails.
 
Slippery Slope said:
You're the one asking what he'll do if his plan fails.

I am suggesting that he's talked about it, do you have some evidence that he hasn't?

You're attack fails.
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And again, seeing only what you want to see . . .

Goobieman asked what Obama's plan is if talks fail; he didn't accuse him of not having one. It's a perfectly legitimate question.

But if you think there is one, what is it?
 
rhinefire said:
This is as smart a going on the Tonight Show. Cool move Obammy amd nice slur against all special olympic children you stupid jerk. Obammy, you have all the class your VP Joey does and you deserve every bit of it. Add to this the democrats threatening supoenas to get executives before congress much like Joe McCarthy and that old balck hag telling the CEO of Shell this government is going to take over the oil indusrtry these liberal lunatics are looking more and more like the Third Reich all over again.
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I thought it was the conservative right that complains endlessly about how being PC is destroying our nation. :roll: The guy makes a little retard joke about himself and look at the whining...
 
Harshaw said:
And again, seeing only what you want to see . . .
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And again, seeing only what you want to see . . .

Goobieman asked what Obama's plan is if talks fail; he didn't accuse him of not having one. It's a perfectly legitimate question.
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And I said let's wait until he tries before we start talking about failing.

But if you think there is one, what is it?
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This isn't the Bush admin, I'm sure they've talked about what the next step would be if talks don't prove fruitful. I, like the rest of us, are not privy to that info.
 
Slippery Slope said:
I thought it was the conservative right that complains endlessly about how being PC is destroying our nation. :roll: The guy makes a little retard joke about himself and look at the whining...
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"Retard"? NICE. Maybe you should have a look at the Special Olympics' current campaign:

http://www.specialolympics.org/stw_resources.aspx

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:doh
 
Slippery Slope said:
And again, seeing only what you want to see . . .
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What kind of a response is this? "I know you are, but what am I?"


And I said let's wait until he tries before we start talking about failing.
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Yeah, I know, and I responded. But this doesn't speak to whether or not GM was accusing Obama of not having a plan. You read that into what he said, I didn't.


This isn't the Bush admin, I'm sure they've talked about what the next step would be if talks don't prove fruitful. I, like the rest of us, are not privy to that info.
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That's not an answer, and it doesn't show GM is accusing them of not having a plan.

That haven't been said, considering all the stupid little things they've gotten wrong which were so easily avoidable, and the medium things like not properly vetting appointees for tax problems, is it that much of a stretch to imagine they don't have big stuff covered very well?

Or will that be taken care of with a "reset" button (with the wrong word on it)?
 
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