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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    It was a quagmire when he said it. Still is, just a different one.
    Only top those who used the media to define the event and to those who secretly hope that Iraq fails.


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    It is lost and we can't "win".
    Iraq is won. Marines have been wasting their time deploying to Iraq since the summer of last year and are eager to start pumping in greater numbers to Afghanistan. Recent democratic elections in Iraq was praised by the UN and even the French (two entities that demanded Hussein be preserved since the Gulf War). And international business is becoming more and more savvy to the locale. Now that the writing is on the wall and American troops are on the way out, the media (NPR) finds it convenient to produce stories of Iraqis who are worried about America's departure. Sink or swim, American troops accomplished the goal. They have their opportunity now. Sink or swim. It's up to them as it was always going to be.

    But if you are waiting for the enemy (an enemy largely gone from Iraq) to come to a table and sign a surrender notice then be prepared to label everything we do in this century as "losing."

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    It was a quagmire when he said it. Still is, just a different one.

    It is lost and we can't "win".
    Show this to be true.
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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Obama calls for new start with Iran

    As the new President of the U.S. it is wise to take this kind of initiative instead of assuming that past rhetoric still stands, but I'm wondering what Obama will suggest if Iran does continue making threats.
    If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"

    This farcical and embarrassing attempt only illustrates the blatant naiveté' and stupidity of a President that had reached his "peter principal" when he became a US Senator.

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"
    Not exactly; they just put forth preconditions on which the US government (and yourself) cannot budge - the funding of Israel.

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed.
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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    If memory serves me right, the Iranian response was the same one Bush got; "shove it!"


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    If memory sereves me right it was Bush 43 thaat said shove it to Iran unlike Reagan who traded arms with them. Carter said shove to Iran aswell IMO with good reason. What good reason exists to tell Iran to shove it? The hostage crisis was over 25 yrs ago.

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If memory sereves me right it was Bush 43 thaat said shove it to Iran unlike Reagan who traded arms with them. Carter said shove to Iran aswell IMO with good reason. What good reason exists to tell Iran to shove it? The hostage crisis was over 25 yrs ago.
    More revisionist history. Carters meddling was the demise of the Shah's regime which is why we are where we are with them today.
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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed.
    I think you'll have a hard time supporting that assertion.

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Not exactly; they just put forth preconditions on which the US government (and yourself) cannot budge - the funding of Israel.
    Well you would be WRONG as usual then; apparently your selective perceptions won't permit you to see the whole story so I shall help you:

    Khamenei set the bar impossibly high - demanding an overhaul of U.S. foreign policy, including giving up "unconditional support" for Israel and halting claims that Iran is seeking nuclear arms. Iran insists its nuclear program is only for peaceful energy purposes.

    Iran's response to US shows mind-set of leadership

    But the irony of Obama's weak ineffectual start in dealing with a Pariah State which sponsors Arab terrorism is the following:

    "Despite Obama's offer, the State Department still lists Iran as a sponsor of terrorism for its backing of militant groups such as Lebanon's Hezbollah. In Iraq, U.S. officials accuse Iran of aiding Shiite militias whose targets have included American soldiers."

    Obama's child like naiveté' to world politics is about as juvenile as his economic policies that puts Americans into a $1.8 trillion deficit this year with a projected $9.3 trillion for the next nine years.

    Here's my favorite response from the despot thugs running Iran:

    "He (Obama) insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed."

    Still, Khamenei left the door open to better ties with America, saying "should you change, our behavior will change, too."


    Imagine the President of the most powerful nation on earth sending a trite little video of overture to a bunch of terrorist sponsoring thugs thinking this will make them like us more. It sure doesn't make me feel safer and if anything makes the world a far more dangerous place.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Obama calls for new start with Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The partisanship in this thread is hilarious. I'll admit, I find it kind of amusing that half of the first page is right wingers crying about how we are doomed.
    It's ironic that you don't find your incessant whines about partisanship on a political debate forum equally hilarious.

    Do you even get it? Do you think that one can have POLITICAL debates without PARTISANSHIP?

    Your selective outrage about partisanship are trite and amusing.

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