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    Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday. "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

    Wilkerson, who first made the assertions in an Internet posting on Tuesday, told the AP he learned from briefings and by communicating with military commanders that the U.S. soon realized many Guantanamo detainees were innocent but nevertheless held them in hopes they could provide information for a "mosaic" of intelligence.

    "It did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance," Wilkerson wrote in the blog. He said intelligence analysts hoped to gather "sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified."

    Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel, said vetting on the battlefield during the early stages of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan was incompetent with no meaningful attempt to discriminate "who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation."
    Wilkerson, who flew combat missions as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and left the government in January 2005, said he did not speak out while in government because some of the information was classified. He said he feels compelled to do so now because Cheney has claimed in recent press interviews that President Barack Obama is making the U.S. less safe by reversing Bush administration policies toward terror suspects, including ordering Guantanamo closed.
    And so Colin Powell and his people continue to be a thorn on the side of the Bush administration. I wonder if as time goes by more and more stories like this will surface.

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    Wilkerson wrote that "U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released."

    Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney fought efforts to address the situation, Wilkerson said, because "to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership."

    Wilkerson told the AP in a telephone interview that many detainees "clearly had no connection to al-Qaida and the Taliban and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pakistanis turned many over for $5,000 a head."
    Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    I haven't followed this story religiously, so maybe this isn't news to some. This the most damning assessment I've seen from someone that was in the Bush admin though. Also, it's a very interesting rejoinder to Cheney's recent remarks.

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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    This isn't surprising at all. There has been criticism of the entire process from the very beginning and now you have somebody from inside basically validating some of the concerns about Gitmo. Given the information that has come out about many of the detainees I have no doubt that this mans information is a fair assessment of the situation there.

    Of course, I would like to see more come out, but this is certainly another damning piece of information.
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    Right Wing Radicals : HE'S LYING! HE'S LYING....

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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Some of the people who ended up as detainees were at Gitmo because a neighbor didn't like them and reported them as terrorists.
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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Some of the people who ended up as detainees were at Gitmo because a neighbor didn't like them and reported them as terrorists.
    I was held in Gitmo for 136 days because ToT told Cheney I hated the troops. They checked my voter registration card and picked me up the next day.
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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Right Wing Radicals : HE'S LYING! HE'S LYING....

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    Actually, he's just another rather boring mid-level Washington type who never really amounted to much... but who discovered that 'speaking out' brings a certain reward:

    SINCE starting to speak out a few months ago, Mr. Wilkerson has become something of a Washington celebrity. He has given interviews and speeches, appeared on television, written op-ed articles and taken telephone calls from journalists and senators.

    He has juggled book offers but says he has no plans to write anything that would seem to exploit his newfound fame. Soon he will begin teaching jobs at George Washington University and the College of William and Mary, where he may write a book on presidential decision-making since World War II.
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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Actually, he's just another rather boring mid-level Washington type who never really amounted to much... but who discovered that 'speaking out' brings a certain reward:

    Common Dreams

    Attack the messenger right? Always a good tactic if you don't have the resources to attack the debunk the information I suppose, but still quite transparent. I think it's funny you believe him to be a boring nobody that didn't amount to much...I mean the Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State...pshhhh....that's nothing to talk about now is it?



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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    AP IMPACT: Many Iraqis held by US to go free

    CAMP BUCCA, Iraq – Thousands of Iraqis held without charge by the United States on suspicion of links to insurgents or militants are being freed by this summer because there is little or no evidence against them.

    Their release comes as the U.S. prepares to turn over its detention system to the fledgling Iraqi government by early 2010. In the six years since the war began, the military ultimately detained some 100,000 suspects, many of whom were picked up in U.S.-led raids during a raging, bloody insurgency that has since died down.
    I wonder if they will release the most crazed first or last?
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    Re: Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent

    Something worth noting: These two quotes:

    Wilkerson, who flew combat missions as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and left the government in January 2005, said he did not speak out while in government because some of the information was classified. He said he feels compelled to do so now because Cheney has claimed in recent press interviews that President Barack Obama is making the U.S. less safe by reversing Bush administration policies toward terror suspects, including ordering Guantanamo closed.
    and

    SINCE starting to speak out a few months ago, Mr. Wilkerson has become something of a Washington celebrity.
    Make it sound like this guy just recently had a change of heart. In actuality, he's been aggressively pushing similar claims for the past 4 years and has had many of his claims disputed.

    During an October 19, 2005 speech at the New America Foundation, Wilkerson criticized the intelligence community which compiled the Iraq War intelligence.
    “ I can’t tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the U.N. on 5 February 2003 was the truth ”

    — Lawrence Wilkerson, New America Foundation, October 19 2005[4]

    In an interview that aired on the PBS news magazine NOW on PBS in Spring 2006 Wilkerson claimed that the speech Powell made before the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, laying out a case for war with Iraq, included falsehoods of which Powell had never been made aware. He said, "My participation in that presentation at the UN constitutes the lowest point in my professional life. I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community and the United Nations Security Council."
    The facts of which have been disputed by numerous state and defense department officials, Wilkerson claimed in an interview on BBC Newsnight, January 17, 2007, that an Iranian offer to help stabilise Iraq after the American invasion, was positively received at the State Department, yet turned down by Dick Cheney.[6] The offer supposedly consisted of help in stabilizing Iraq, cutting ties with Hezbollah and greater transparency in its nuclear program in return for lifting sanctions and dismantling the Mujahedeen-e Khalq, an organisation working to overthrow the Iranian government.
    ".... You compare Bill Clinton's peccadilloes for which he was impeached to George Bush's high crimes and misdemeanors or Dick Cheney's high crimes and misdemeanors, and I think they pale in significance."
    In April 2007, Wilkerson was featured in VPRO's Tegenlicht Dutch documentary The Israel Lobby. He said that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was highly influential in the Bush Administration's decision to go to war in Iraq.
    I don't know why it's a surprise that the guy is continuing to say bad things about the government.
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