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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    That these big execs can give themselves these kind of bonuses at this point and time, with no concern for the common good, just goes to show that every civilization and society runs on a slave economy. The only people that can qualify for the name of citizen in our society are the rich. America is and was never about "main street". The phrase "Main street" itself is quite demeaning. The idea behind it is that we are not the same as our wealthy counterparts, we are just meat and potato folks, who are a little slow and are too stupid to run or at least fully understand things. I say, shame on Obama for getting suckered into using that phrase. The "main street" stuff just boils me over as much as the robberbarons that continue to bilk us. That people sent death threat letters to the execs at AIG, is just another more blatant indication of class warfare. It may seem like more but it is really the rise of a more primitive resentment.
    I sense envy in your post.

    Repeat after me:

    "I am not a victim of my environment.

    I am not entitled to other people's money.

    I am capable of success; I just need to realize my full potential."

    Repeat three times.

    There you go. You're already on the road to recovery!

    In regard to your comment about this being the result of a "more primitive resentment," you're absolutely right - it's a witch hunt.
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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    I never said that I was entitled to anyone's money but they are definitely not entitled to mine. They stole my money if you think about it. If AIG went out of business then they wouldn't even have a job, so we help them out and look at what we get. What ever you think you see in me is immaterial, what ever way you put it, it is an outrage.

    The metaphor is best pointed out in the example of Imelda Marcos of the Phillipines. According to article I once read, once she and her husband were overthrown and the gates of their mansion were flung open, all the people could do was look at what they had amassed with wonder and awe, instead of outrage.

    So to follow this out, when we consider the rich as more important than us and as people that must be worshipped, we give up our autonomy and are just asking to get ripped off.
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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    I never said that I was entitled to anyone's money but they are definitely not entitled to mine. They stole my money if you think about it. If AIG went out of business then they wouldn't even have a job, so we help them out and look at what we get. What ever you think you see in me is immaterial, what ever way you put it, it is an outrage.

    The metaphor is best pointed out in the example of Imelda Marcos of the Phillipines. According to article I once read, once she and her husband were overthrown and the gates of their mansion were flung open, all the people could do was look at what they had amassed with wonder and awe, instead of outrage.

    So to follow this out, when we consider the rich as more important than us and as people that must be worshipped, we give up our autonomy and are just asking to get ripped off.
    AIG didn't steal from you. Congress did. Hating AIG seems pointless. If you elect a man to watch your house and that man opens the door up and allows folks to come in and take whatever they want who did you wrong?

    AIG didn't lie about the bonuses. Congress knew about them, negotiated over that very point in fact, and then outright lied and feigned hysteria!

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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    I never said that I was entitled to anyone's money but they are definitely not entitled to mine. They stole my money if you think about it. If AIG went out of business then they wouldn't even have a job, so we help them out and look at what we get. What ever you think you see in me is immaterial, what ever way you put it, it is an outrage.
    Taxes can't technically be called "stealing" by virtue of the contract between citizen and state, but you're not going to get an argument out of me. The bailout was wrong. In a way it's theft by proxy. (we call this corporate welfare). It was wrong when Bush bailed out the airlines and it's wrong now.

    The metaphor is best pointed out in the example of Imelda Marcos of the Phillipines. According to article I once read, once she and her husband were overthrown and the gates of their mansion were flung open, all the people could do was look at what they had amassed with wonder and awe, instead of outrage.
    I don't know enough about this to comment.

    So to follow this out, when we consider the rich as more important than us and as people that must be worshipped, we give up our autonomy and are just asking to get ripped off.
    Who thinks rich people are more important and should be worshipped? Your outrage is justified, I just think you're aiming it at the wrong people.
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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They can't.
    It violates Article I, section 9:3 of the Constitution.
    And the Constitution has been just so well cared about so far by these folks...

    They passed a bill that was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That should be the real scandal, but no... people are all pissed off AIG gave bonuses to some folks! ZOMG and it was cleared by the bill giving them money to do it! THOSE RAT BASTARDS!

    America deserves to fall at this point, we've gotten the government leadership our stupidity as a whole wanted.

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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    "Who thinks rich people are more important and should be worshipped? Your outrage is justified, I just think you're aiming it at the wrong people."-BulletwounD

    I am not aiming an attack on anyone, I want to encourage people to examine their "thought-habits" and refuse to believe in lies.
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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    "Who thinks rich people are more important and should be worshipped? Your outrage is justified, I just think you're aiming it at the wrong people."-BulletwounD

    I am not aiming an attack on anyone, I want to encourage people to examine their "thought-habits" and refuse to believe in lies.
    What's the lie you're exposing?

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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I find this to be obscene. The government can't recklessly give money away with no foresight, or perhaps there was foresight and a mind change in hindsight, but either way they can't do that and then make up taxes targeted at a select group of people to "fix" it.

    It's corrupt and I'm wholly uncomfortable with the precedent such a move sets.

    No matter how unhappy folks are with AIG; this is a dangerous road to go down once again.
    Let's for a moment forget about Congress voting to giving AIG the cash.

    What is worse is Congress pin points a few individuals.
    Want to know their names and no guarantee of these remaining private.
    They make these people out to be evil.
    Pass an individual specific tax plan for them.
    Gives them their version of Krystalnacht with the media acting like Der Stürmer (See below for definition).

    May as well have these AIG employees walk around with yellow stars with AIG on them in big, black block letters sewn on their lapels, bumper stickers on their cars, and on the front door of their houses or apartments.

    The only benefit in this chilling spectacle is business people may sprint from government.

    These folks are at best two-faced Indian Givers.

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    Re: House passes bill taxing AIG and other bonuses

    Lets recap shall we?


    Dodd writes a protection of the bonuses into the bill on the obama's admin's request.

    Obama signs the bill with the requested protection of bonuses.

    Obama and the dems shriek and pretend to be suprised and outraged over these bonuses.

    then the house puts forth an unconstitutional bill to recover the money

    Obama is rumored to threaten a veto....




    This is competence?????
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