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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Like it or not, we do not live in the dark ages any more, and women do have a right to control their own bodies and that includes having children.
    You forgot to add: At the expense of the tax payer.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The solution is simple.

    Any woman that is pregnant that is not married shall be put to death. Any man fathering a child outside wedlock shall be put to death. All couples need a certificate of permission by local authorities or even better by the church to be allowed to have children. To have children you must a certain income, certain education, a certain size house and of course be part of a church.
    That is crazy. Are you a part of the Bush Administration? I think you must be a member of Focus on the Family.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Seriously, what is it with conservatives in the US always wanting to go after the weak in society no matter what. It does not matter if a woman is married or not for god sake, that is just religious babble and traditionalists that are still pissed that women are in the work place and on the pill and not in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
    That is not it at all. It is that now almost half of these births are paid for by the government and that the government program has created an incentive for women to not have the resources before she plans to have a child.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ever thought that it might be women and men who live together but dont want to get married but want children? No I aint saying it is all or even a majority but they do exist.
    It's really not a problem as long as they pay for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Now as for the economic issue, which is a much more valid issue than "not being married bs", what would you do? I see a lot of whining and complaining, but not even conservatives would deny a woman treatment I suspect, as it would endanger the fetus and we all know how conservatives feel about sperm and fetuses.
    I wouldn't deny her treatment no, what I would do is announce almost daily and three years ahead that the government is no longer going to pay for you to have a baby.

    That is it, after the date has past you have to take care of yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Like it or not, we do not live in the dark ages any more, and women do have a right to control their own bodies and that includes having children. On top of that, you have a society where sexual education is under attack on a daily basis and the word of "abstinence" is preferred over sensible birth control methods (especially when being taught to children of course, who grow up as adults not knowing or understanding the basics of birth control), then what do you expect! It is not like the biological mechanics of women and men can be switched on and off just because some paedophile church man says so.
    Every single person in this country I'm suspecting knows what the hell birth control is.

    That is moron speak to say that anyone who has been to a government school does not know what birth control is, just an outright lie.

    Pete I'm trying to give you a chance but you are as bad or worse than some on here that you criticize.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is crazy. Are you a part of the Bush Administration? I think you must be a member of Focus on the Family.
    Is it now? I bet the religious right would love such laws.

    How about forcing abortion on any woman that cant support a child... how you think that would go down?

    That is not it at all. It is that now almost half of these births are paid for by the government and that the government program has created an incentive for women to not have the resources before she plans to have a child.
    And why is that? Is it not in the nations interest to have as many births as possible? Is it also not in the nations interest not having a high child death rate because the women cant afford the required treatment? Is it also not morally and humanly societies job to help any child in need?

    You might be pissed that you as a the tax payer is paying for these women (I know I am in my own country), but what is the alternative? Do you think that not having these "supposed incentives" will change the fact that women will have children? Do you really think that all these 40%, hell even a majority, are abusing the system to get more money? Could it not just be that they are in a situation where birth control is out of reach because of economic issues, lack of education or religious issues? Or could it be they are in a relationship and just dont want to get married?

    It's really not a problem as long as they pay for themselves.
    Well it is a problem, because they cant and they still have children. Are you saying you want to deny them the right to have children based on economic standing? How can you at all solve this problem without tackling the issue of birth control teaching from an early age instead of this brain dead abstinence only teaching that quite a few want instead?

    I wouldn't deny her treatment no, what I would do is announce almost daily and three years ahead that the government is no longer going to pay for you to have a baby.
    And what after 3 years? The child is only slightly less vulnerable than it was a birth. Dump mother and child on the street? Take the kid away from her and put it in an ophrange and tie the mothers tubes (force ably of course)? What is your solution other than cutting off funds a few years after birth, and making a bad situation into a tragic one?

    Like it or not, government is in one hell of a pickle here. They can say, no will not pay you extra depending on the amount of children you have.. fine, but that will only lead to malnourished children and dead children, because it sure in hell wont stop people from having kids.

    Every single person in this country I'm suspecting knows what the hell birth control is.

    That is moron speak to say that anyone who has been to a government school does not know what birth control is, just an outright lie.

    Pete I'm trying to give you a chance but you are as bad or worse than some on here that you criticize.
    I am? And are you sure about that everyone knows what the hell birth control is in the US? The teen pregnancy rate kinda disproves that.

    And "a government school".. well, what about in the states that promote abstinence programs over birth control programs (if they at all have it)? What about private schools, especially the religious variant that brainwashes children?

    You can not deny that the US has issues when it comes to sex and birth control...
    PeteEU

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Society is in denial about the fact that Bastards are less.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    This just in, American girls are easy.
    George W. Bush is a liberal.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    This just in, American girls are easy.
    you should try some European girls then
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    That makes sense. Considering we practically give an incentive for girls to have kids, I would think some of them might take advantage of Medicaid, espicially in a bad economy.

    Remember, if you make 20,000 a year, and have 3 children, you don't pay federal income tax.
    The incentive for minority women to become teenage parents doesn't come in the form of welfare; it comes through the strategic value of early childbearing in preventing labor interruptions later in life.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The solution is simple.

    Any woman that is pregnant that is not married shall be put to death. Any man fathering a child outside wedlock shall be put to death. All couples need a certificate of permission by local authorities or even better by the church to be allowed to have children. To have children you must a certain income, certain education, a certain size house and of course be part of a church.
    We are not complaining about poor people having children.
    We are complaining that with all the contraceptives and MTV sex education shows, people get pregnant and then want strangers to pay for their kiddies well being.

    Let them have kiddies, but do not make them my responsibility.
    It is not my responsibility.
    It was not my sperm.
    I ddin't get to enjoy the ride but now must pay for it?


    Seriously, what is it with conservatives in the US always wanting to go after the weak in society no matter what.
    Good try, but you missed the dart board.
    We believe people are equal under the law.
    We aim to HELP the weak, but conspiring to steal other people's money for their CHOICE is what makes things WORSE.

    What is wrong with personal responsibility?
    Slapping on a rubber or taking a pill, using foam or some other form of contraception? Contraception is plentiful and cheap.

    It does not matter if a woman is married or not for god sake, that is just religious babble and traditionalists that are still pissed that women are in the work place and on the pill and not in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
    True... but it's not my problem if someone takes a rod and pops a kid.
    They made the choice themselves.

    Like it or not, we do not live in the dark ages any more, and women do have a right to control their own bodies and that includes having children.
    Good, then grown up and take responsibility for YOUR ACTIONS.

    On top of that, you have a society where sexual education is under attack on a daily basis and the word of "abstinence" is preferred over sensible birth control methods (especially when being taught to children of course, who grow up as adults not knowing or understanding the basics of birth control), then what do you expect!
    Sex education can be found on any channel.
    Try MTV.
    You got the Bisexual Twins offering up their snatch for dickie and licky.
    A bit off topic, but if I were writing the title for that show it would be:
    Grab Bag Snatches... Or... ****s for the Taking... Scum Box Millionaires

    As they're acting like little whores, they should be treated like them.

    It is not like the biological mechanics of women and men can be switched on and off just because some paedophile church man says so.
    LOL.
    Now these people are uncontrollable animals.
    No control, just hormones with legs.
    OK... but I shouldn't have to pay for their haste in not being able to find the time to "rubber up".

    If there's grass on the pitch and they wanna play... let 'em, but government shouldn't force strangers to pay for the all the goals scored.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We are not complaining about poor people having children.
    You effectively are, actually. Considering the aforementioned economically strategic nature of teenage childbearing for minority populations, condemnations of teenage childbearing and attempts to "prevent" it adversely impact the poor.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We are complaining that with all the contraceptives and MTV sex education shows, people get pregnant and then want strangers to pay for their kiddies well being.
    You don't actually believe that, do you? I don't believe that the nature of far more sexually permissive Europe supports that claim.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The incentive for minority women to become teenage parents doesn't come in the form of welfare; it comes through the strategic value of early childbearing in preventing labor interruptions later in life.
    Interesting insight, but it probably doesn't pan out considering the demographic distribution of your selected group, the competetivness of the likely positions in question, and the unassailabilty of Maternity leave.

    If minority women were all going on Donald Trump's apprentice, then I could see your point, but in the average job your selected group is shooting for I don't really see much strategic loss.

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