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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    By cut I meant reduced.

    The share purchase program is a great benefit with 401k that most people don't touch.
    I'm a bit nosy with what my coworkers do because I'm curious about the individual psychology behind different income groups.

    Most don't put any money into either but do drink what they could be investing on a regular basis.
    So? Even reductions have relevant impacts on incentive issues, as you've effectively illustrated.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    So? Even reductions have relevant impacts on incentive issues, as you've effectively illustrated.
    Yea the incentives are less but they still exist.

    Investment advisers regularly come to my employer to discuss how and what to invest based on age and nearly no one uses there free advice.

    The lower earners unlike me waste their resources on junk more than anything else.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea the incentives are less but they still exist.

    Investment advisers regularly come to my employer to discuss how and what to invest based on age and nearly no one uses there free advice.

    The lower earners unlike me waste their resources on junk more than anything else.
    There's a point at which they cease to function as "incentives." It doesn't seem as though you've found it, IMO.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There's a point at which they cease to function as "incentives." It doesn't seem as though you've found it, IMO.
    That is just one portion of the incentives my company employs.

    If I knew you personally I'd freely give out the information on the company I work for but I'm not comfortable with that at the moment.

    I'll do the best I can to give you what I know and hope I don't miss much.

    The offer production incentive, quality incentive, an incentive for being on time, incentives for making suggestions that become implemented, stock ownership incentives, tuition assistance(virtually no one uses this), safety bonus(although it is being changed to something else at the moment), profit sharing, 2x401k company paid deposits based on company performance, free medical clinic visits, and sponsored health plan which is inexpensive.

    I use as many of those as I possibly can. I try to get as much money as they possibly offer with the least effort that I have to do to get it.

    Most of my coworkers are just to lazy or choose to be ignorant.

    That is what I can think of off the top of my head. I'll have to find my company handbook. Shouldn't be to hard, it is about the size of a phone book.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    No, I don't have a link to anything beyond the abstract at the moment, though perhaps you'll want to have a look at this.
    lol

    Your link refers to people who argue against teenage pregnancy as "eugenicists" and sounds like it was written by a sophomore. Seems like a credible and unbiased source!

    Furthermore, your own link notes that the study you keep citing contained a calculation error which necessitated a correction in a 2005 study. If that's the case, why have you been repeatedly referring to the 1999 version? And for that matter, why didn't you link to it in the first place? You could have saved a lot of time.

    It also raises the question of sample size. If you know, how large was Hotz's sample?

    My access to the entire article came by means of my specific study in an academic institute.
    So then you were just being unnecessarily condescending when you said this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate
    Since I mentioned the study's name (and posted an excerpt), the first time I brought it up, it was really a matter of a simple Google Scholar search to find it.
    Good to know.

    And maybe you'd better consider the fact that you've effectively offered nothing worthy of "rebuttal," since you offered the unrelated example of the UK, apparently found by means of a Google search.
    Uh....I got that article by looking at the "articles that cite this piece" section in the abstract link that you provided.

    That is false, and your apparent lack of knowledge is merely perpetuated by continuing to refer to the study as an "article." I doubt you read the article that you cited, considering that its containing a reference to Hotz et al. does not constitute a rebuttal of Hotz et al.
    My apologies, I assumed that you were capable of understanding what I was referring to when I used the term "article." I'll be sure to spell things out for you in the future.

    Is this a serious question? Here I was thinking that failing to account for endogeneity was bad enough, and you're genuinely confused as to why a paper regarding the UK can't be used to "rebut" a study of U.S. trends?
    I was referring to your conclusion that because the study that I cited dealt with the UK, not the US, I must not have read it. I'm aware that a UK study isn't 100% applicable to the US, but I'm not aware of any reason why the result would be so drastically different in the US. Are you?
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    And since you're so well versed in this field, I'm sure you've already read this paper directly attacking the methodological underpinnings used in Hotz's study and coming to a contrary conclusion, right?
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Ever left your mother's basement?
    Hardly ever. Guess my mother never read any John Holt. It's the never ending story of my life, you might say. But then, none of this has much to do with the topic at hand.


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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock







    While I don't necessarily disagree with single women having children, I do have a problem with these women giving birth on the tax payers dime.

    If statistics from 2002 still apply today and you account for additional births added about half of these women are using medicaid to give birth to children.

    That is absolute bull**** in my opinion.
    The billboard on I-40 just east of Nashville says ,"12,000,000 illegals in the US,...11,000,000 illegals out of work". If you should happen to drop by Nashville some time soon, check out the number of bambinos hanging on momas skirt down at the super mercado. My guess is that as many as half of the 4 million births were Mexicans. Damned nice people but we didn`t need them showing up in our jobless market now ,nor did we need 2,000,000 more showing up in our future job market. The MONEY WHORES in America love their willingness to work cheep and keep gringos from wanting a job. "Hell,we coudln`t afford things if Americans were makeing the products".

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    lol

    Your link refers to people who argue against teenage pregnancy as "eugenicists" and sounds like it was written by a sophomore. Seems like a credible and unbiased source!
    Actually, it was written by a sociologist who formerly taught at UC Santa Cruz. I know you're likely much more experienced than him, but regardless, it was not intended to be an "unbiased" source. It was intended to be a critical commentary on bias in the mass media and such, and would therefore necessarily be "biased."

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Furthermore, your own link notes that the study you keep citing contained a calculation error which necessitated a correction in a 2005 study. If that's the case, why have you been repeatedly referring to the 1999 version? And for that matter, why didn't you link to it in the first place? You could have saved a lot of time.
    I never attempted to "hide" the calculation error. I even referred you to Hoffman, who you refused to research (but inadvertently cited anyway ), in an attempt to provide the greatest clarity. The 1999 study is merely the most available one that you would have derived the greatest understanding from. The 2005 revision doesn't contain any major new findings.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So then you were just being unnecessarily condescending when you said this?

    Good to know.
    Actually, no. There's significant analysis that can be derived by merely reading the abstracts of several pertinent studies by a person such as yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Uh....I got that article by looking at the "articles that cite this piece" section in the abstract link that you provided.
    Really? So you ignored other citations that contradicted your preconceived viewpoint?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    My apologies, I assumed that you were capable of understanding what I was referring to when I used the term "article." I'll be sure to spell things out for you in the future.
    My apologies, I assumed that you were capable of understanding the difference between a mere "article" and a formal study. I'll be sure to spell things out for you in the future.



    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I was referring to your conclusion that because the study that I cited dealt with the UK, not the US, I must not have read it. I'm aware that a UK study isn't 100% applicable to the US, but I'm not aware of any reason why the result would be so drastically different in the US. Are you?
    Of course there are reasons. For instance, we might consider different external factors between the U.S. and the UK, given the fall in inter-generational income mobility that the expansion of tertiary schooling promoted in the UK. You might want to refer to Machin and Gregg's A lesson for education: University expansion and falling income mobility.

    The fall in intergenerational income mobility can partly be accounted for by the fact that a greater share of the rapid educational upgrading of the British population has been concentrated on people with richer parents. The unequal increase in educational attainment has been one factor in reinforcing the link between earnings and income of children and their parents. This seems to be an unintended consequence of the expansion of the university system that occurred in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It demonstrates that education policy matters for income equality, and can have wide reaching and long lasting consequences for individuals.
    I appreciate that you're not familiar with this data, but you could at least not assume that others suffer from the same deficiency.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And since you're so well versed in this field, I'm sure you've already read this paper directly attacking the methodological underpinnings used in Hotz's study and coming to a contrary conclusion, right?
    I'm afraid I haven't, and I'll have to take a closer look at it, but my immediate impressions are that since National Campaign researcher Hoffman is cited as a reference, I wouldn't doubt that they failed to analyze the role of 1990's "welfare reform" as an external factor in destabilizing persons who bore children as teenage parents. You'll also want to keep in mind Geronimus and Korenman's commentary that many studies insufficiently measure for endogeneity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Hardly ever. Guess my mother never read any John Holt. It's the never ending story of my life, you might say. But then, none of this has much to do with the topic at hand.

    Well, I don't doubt that.

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