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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I'm pretty certain I've never met a happy anarchist. Not sure why that is.

    Every "anarchist" I know IRL has a total disdain for the world around them. They see themselves as unique and special and they consider those who don't agree with them to be foolish sheep. As a result, they tend to be arrogant loners, enough to make anyone unhappy.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Oh, really? Do you have a link to anything beyond the abstract?

    Also, I'm having major lol's at the fact that you once again responding by dropping more names as if that were a substantive rebuttal. Nice work.
    No, I don't have a link to anything beyond the abstract at the moment, though perhaps you'll want to have a look at this. My access to the entire article came by means of my specific study in an academic institute. And maybe you'd better consider the fact that you've effectively offered nothing worthy of "rebuttal," since you offered the unrelated example of the UK, apparently found by means of a Google search.



    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I asked you twice if you read the article. You dodged the question both times. I assumed (and do still assume) that that means you didn't and are now merely trying to cover it up.
    That is false, and your apparent lack of knowledge is merely perpetuated by continuing to refer to the study as an "article." I doubt you read the article that you cited, considering that its containing a reference to Hotz et al. does not constitute a rebuttal of Hotz et al.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not sure why you think that fact leads to that conclusion, but alright.
    Is this a serious question? Here I was thinking that failing to account for endogeneity was bad enough, and you're genuinely confused as to why a paper regarding the UK can't be used to "rebut" a study of U.S. trends? (Incidentally, this isn't a concession on my part regarding the UK. I'm simply unfamiliar with the literature on teenage pregnancy in that country. Apparently, I'm not the only one. )

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I'm pretty certain I've never met a happy anarchist. Not sure why that is.

    Dunno. Ever left your mother's basement?


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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I respect that point of view, I work for a company that fluctuates between the mid cap-large cap line.

    They are in some ways similar to an ESOP that anarchists define as the better corporations, however, they are like you describe just heavily laden with rules an in some ways rival the government as the next big brother.

    I personally don't think any super corp can last any length of time because of the bloated inefficiency. Government is the only thing that usually keeps these behemoths alive.
    Actually, someone I know works at an ESOP. It sounds quite nice. The rules are no stricter than you'd expect at a normal business, probably more lax. While businesses all around them are failing, their equity is remaining stable. They're less apt to take big risks because EMPLOYEES are relying on their ESOP for retirement, so they try not to screw anybody who might be unfortunate enough to have to retire during a down time. Everybody has a a vested (and concrete) interest in growth, unlike at a normal company.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Actually, I someone I know works at an ESOP. It sounds quite nice. The rules are no stricter than you'd expect at a normal business, probably more lax. While businesses all around them are failing, their equity is remaining stable. They're less apt to take big risks because EMPLOYEES are relying on their ESOP for retirement, so they try not to screw anybody who might be unfortunate enough to have to retire during a down time. Everybody has a a vested (and concrete) interest in growth, unlike at a normal company.
    Exactly. Workers' ownership (and workers' management, for that matter), effectively minimizes the principal-agent problem.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Actually, someone I know works at an ESOP. It sounds quite nice. The rules are no stricter than you'd expect at a normal business, probably more lax. While businesses all around them are failing, their equity is remaining stable. They're less apt to take big risks because EMPLOYEES are relying on their ESOP for retirement, so they try not to screw anybody who might be unfortunate enough to have to retire during a down time. Everybody has a a vested (and concrete) interest in growth, unlike at a normal company.
    I work at a similar company. They are better with their recognition of individual employees and with all employee.

    What I was talking about is that they have the same amount of rules at mine as I have seen with a some others I worked at.

    Some of there benefits are great others are so so. Depends on where you stand and what you count as a benefit.

    I think an Employee Stock Purchase Program is a benefit but most of my coworkers could give a **** about its existence.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think an Employee Stock Purchase Program is a benefit but most of my coworkers could give a **** about its existence.
    Then there likely aren't effective incentive motives involved with ownership.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Then there likely aren't effective incentive motives involved with ownership.
    But there is.

    15% off of the price of shares, no limit on the amount of shares one can purchase except of course IRS limits of roughly 12K a year.

    Not only that but the dividends are steady. Even though the economy is faltering a good bit the company adjusts production needs and debt payments to best keep employees working and to pay dividends.

    They have, however, cut profit sharing. Of course profits are down so that makes sense.

    Look I recognize the positive benefits of an employee owned enterprise I have though experienced directly the same apathy and irrational hierarchies inside all large corporations.
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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Such a model is likely too distant from optimal socialist economic organization to function as a study for microeconomic analysis, since profit sharing itself has been eliminated, and our primary focus has always been on profit sharing capitalism.

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    Re: US births break record; 40 pct out-of-wedlock

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Such a model is likely too distant from optimal socialist economic organization to function as a study for microeconomic analysis, since profit sharing itself has been eliminated, and our primary focus has always been on profit sharing capitalism.
    By cut I meant reduced.

    The share purchase program is a great benefit with 401k that most people don't touch.
    I'm a bit nosy with what my coworkers do because I'm curious about the individual psychology behind different income groups.

    Most don't put any money into either but do drink what they could be investing on a regular basis.
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