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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Baldwin should feel lucky that he didn't get to say much more. He sounded like the board up his ass was about to break into several pieces. Paul hit it square on the head. The only thing I saw wrong with Paul's speech was his denial of marijuana being an issue with driving. I've arresed several impaired drivers who were on marijuana. There are field sobriety tests and vertical nystagmus tests that you can do to establish additional probable cause (assuming you have a driving case or some other reason for the stop). Then you ask for blood or urine.
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Baldwin should feel lucky that he didn't get to say much more. He sounded like the board up his ass was about to break into several pieces. Paul hit it square on the head. The only thing I saw wrong with Paul's speech was his denial of marijuana being an issue with driving. I've arresed several impaired drivers who were on marijuana. There are field sobriety tests and vertical nystagmus tests that you can do to establish additional probable cause (assuming you have a driving case or some other reason for the stop). Then you ask for blood or urine.
    agreed.. I kind of groaned a little when he was rebutting the DUI position. I did laugh my ass off when Baldwin opened with the gateway defense though,

    On a side note.. vertical nystagmus tests?? That is referring to eye movement and the old "follow the pen" test right? What ever became of a device known as EYECHECK, are you familiar with that?

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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    I'd like to point out to you libertarians that it was a liberal, not a libertarian or republican, that made this crucial step.

    if you'd only vote for liberals weed would be legalized a hundred times faster. But instead you waste your votes on the right.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Who in god's name was that awful woman on the far-left? It is easy to identify someone who is high....

    Baldwin recommended other pain relieving medications and (i guess) methods over Marijuana. Is this the best the faith-based anti-legalization community can produce?
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    agreed.. I kind of groaned a little when he was rebutting the DUI position. I did laugh my ass off when Baldwin opened with the gateway defense though,

    On a side note.. vertical nystagmus tests?? That is referring to eye movement and the old "follow the pen" test right? What ever became of a device known as EYECHECK, are you familiar with that?
    Vertical gaze nystagmus is the "follow the pen" test only going up and down instead of left to right. It has been argued that it can be an indicator of possible narcotics usage. It's also been argued against, however it's still officially accepted as a standard field sobriety test to help determine if there is probable cause. It's only one of many tools that can be used.

    The Eyecheck Pupilometer is fairly interesting but I've never known of anyone actually using it. It's just a "breathalyzer" for the eyes only it doesn't actually indicate what or how much of a certain drug is present. Plus it's not very handy to use on the street if you ask me. It's supposed to be pretty accurate but like I said, I don't know who really uses them.
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Who in god's name was that awful woman on the far-left? It is easy to identify someone who is high....

    Baldwin recommended other pain relieving medications and (i guess) methods over Marijuana. Is this the best the faith-based anti-legalization community can produce?
    I know, nothing says "moral responsibility" like downing Vicodin, Oxycontin, or suffering horribly from chronic pain and nausea because it's just the right thing to do.
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Beat me to it Lerxst.

    "Don't smoke that, God will hate you...Here, take these highly addictive pain-killers instead."

    You know big pharma doesn't want legalization:

    "Got back pain, nausea, glaucoma, insomnia, joint aches, anger management/stress level issues, or any other of a myriad or symptoms?

    You could buy all these pills, or...

    smoke a bowl!"
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Baldwin should feel lucky that he didn't get to say much more. He sounded like the board up his ass was about to break into several pieces. Paul hit it square on the head. The only thing I saw wrong with Paul's speech was his denial of marijuana being an issue with driving. I've arresed several impaired drivers who were on marijuana. There are field sobriety tests and vertical nystagmus tests that you can do to establish additional probable cause (assuming you have a driving case or some other reason for the stop). Then you ask for blood or urine.




    excellent post. This highlights my issue with Paul, he goes a bit too far often.
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Baldwin should feel lucky that he didn't get to say much more. He sounded like the board up his ass was about to break into several pieces. Paul hit it square on the head. The only thing I saw wrong with Paul's speech was his denial of marijuana being an issue with driving. I've arresed several impaired drivers who were on marijuana. There are field sobriety tests and vertical nystagmus tests that you can do to establish additional probable cause (assuming you have a driving case or some other reason for the stop). Then you ask for blood or urine.
    Blood or urine won't tell you when they smoked and if they are currently high. It's a flaw in the system. If I smoke regularly for a month, and then stop for a couple days, I would still test positive without being high.
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    Re: AG Holder Signals Administration Will Relax Enforcement Policy on Medical Marijua

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Blood or urine won't tell you when they smoked and if they are currently high. It's a flaw in the system. If I smoke regularly for a month, and then stop for a couple days, I would still test positive without being high.
    Good point there, which is why I said you had to already have a driving case or some other probable cause, then you ask for blood or urine. Combined with the other PC, the presence of drugs in the system reinforces the officers case. There should be documented evidence of impairment before the the urine or blood is asked for. You never make your case on the drug test results for the very reason you cited.
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