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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The ten commandments take precedence over our constitution. It is a more important document. It doesn't promote any particular religion. It is God who gave us our inalienable rights, not our constitution.
    Show me where in the Constitution it says "thou shall have no other gods before me", and as soon as you cannot find that passage, then show me where in the Constitution where it says that everyone must obey that.

    In America, the Constitution takes precedence over the 10 Commandments. In Iran, the mullahs run the nation. In America, they don't.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's where a lawsuit becomes reasonable.
    We are in agreement.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The ten commandments take precedence over our constitution. It is a more important document. It doesn't promote any particular religion. It is God who gave us our inalienable rights, not our constitution.
    No. Just.....no.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's where a lawsuit becomes reasonable.
    The Court just so happened to decide that exact issue three weeks ago.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then let that minority buy a bronze code of Hamurabai and donate it to the courthouse for display. Problem solved.
    I believe in this case, the locals weren't allowing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The ten commandments take precedence over our constitution. It is a more important document. It doesn't promote any particular religion. It is God who gave us our inalienable rights, not our constitution.
    How can you say the 10 commandments don't promote any particular religion when the commands include things like "you shall have no other god before me" and "remember the sabbath day and keep it holy" (not something a lot of Hindus exactly do, for instance)
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    i would be vastly more willing to believe in the "they represent a sociological origin of law" position if this wasn't about some county in Kentucky.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What's that supposed to mean? I really don't get it...
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    i would be vastly more willing to believe in the "they represent a sociological origin of law" position if this wasn't about some county in Kentucky.
    If you go back and look at the way the county went about it, it's hilariously obvious what they were trying to do. They came out with the display after passing a resolution that (no joke) referred to Jesus Christ as "the prince of ethics," got sued by the ACLU, changed the sign in front of the display to say it was "designed to honor all spiritual belief," got sued again, and then changed it to say it was "designed to educate about sociological origins" or whatever. Justice Stevens ripped their lawyer apart on oral arguments over that shenanigans.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    None of that detracts from the fact that historically, the 10 Commandments has been a centerpiece of legal and moral philosophy.
    Uh for whom? Our country? Our laws? Our democracy? Never. Not even once. Not never. The constitution was created for a reason. The people who wrote the constitution wrote it knowing very well what the dangers a religious supremacy were. How could they not? Religion had dominated Europe up until the time the first pilgrims started coming over. So what do they do? They draft a paper that with it's first amendment clearly separates the State and the Church. They acknowledge that the people have a right to choose whatever religion they want without fear of government interference. They acknowledge that they have a right to acknowledge whatever God or Gods they want. After knowing this how anybody can claim that our laws are based on the 10 commandment is simply lunacy. It is simply NOT within the realm of possibility given how the most important legal document in American history basically gives a middle finger to the most important commandment.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you go back and look at the way the county went about it, it's hilariously obvious what they were trying to do. They came out with the display after passing a resolution that (no joke) referred to Jesus Christ as "the prince of ethics," got sued by the ACLU, changed the sign in front of the display to say it was "designed to honor all spiritual belief," got sued again, and then changed it to say it was "designed to educate about sociological origins" or whatever. Justice Stevens ripped their lawyer apart on oral arguments over that shenanigans.
    Wait... you're saying all that supports the "sociological origin of law" position?
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Wait... you're saying all that supports the "sociological origin of law" position?
    No, I'm saying that the county was absolutely full of ****. The obvious purpose was to PRAISE JESUS and then after they got sued they tried to cover their asses by making up some **** to pretend that they had noble intentions.
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