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Thread: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In a legal battle that has spanned a decade, 2 counties in Kentucky have been ordered to pay the ACLU a total of $400,000.00. They won't be paying for a while because parts of the case are still being appealed.

    So is this right? On one hand, citizens should not have religion shoved down their throats by ANY government, as that represents a violation of the Separation clause. On the other hand, nobody seems to be forcing religion upon people at the courthouses in question, but are merely posting where our law comes from. In that case, why not post the writings of Hammurabi, whose "Code of Laws" is the first, and predates even the laws of Moses?

    Is posting the 10 Commandments in a courthouse an act of promoting one religion over another, or is it an act of free speech? You decide.

    My answer is that, yes, it does promote a religion, and therefore, should not be posted in any government building. However, I do not see a problem with the 10 Commandments being posted in a park or other "public" place not designated as "doing the government's business".

    Article is here.
    This has nothing to do with religion or speech. Nothing at all.

    US district judge Jennifer B Coffman ordered Pulaski and McCreary counties to pay $393,798 in attorneys' fees and $8,133 in expenses to the ACLU of Kentucky and citizens.
    No one is being compensated for a damage here.
    There is no victim.

    Attorneys are being paid for bringing a lawsuit, nothing more.

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The ten commandments take precedence over our constitution. It is a more important document. It doesn't promote any particular religion. It is God who gave us our inalienable rights, not our constitution.
    Yeah well God didn't provide a list of those rights along with a mechanism for taxation that raises and maintains and army to defend us from foreign and domestic threats to those rights.

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    None of that detracts from the fact that historically, the 10 Commandments has been a centerpiece of legal and moral philosophy.
    So has the Code of Hammurabi, but they are not considered by those who want to put up the 10 Commandments. And there is a minority that disagrees that the 10 commandments have more "morality" than an atheist who does not believe in God, but has his own morality that dictates that you do not kill, steal, or commit other crimes. In forcing the 10 commandments upon him, while not allowing another document representing his own view to be posted, is exactly what our forefathers feared when they spoke of the "tyranny of the majority".
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    None of that detracts from the fact that historically, the 10 Commandments has been a centerpiece of legal and moral philosophy.
    Too bad we live in the 21st century. Not 300 years ago where people were ultra religious and little educated.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah well God didn't provide a list of those rights along with a mechanism for taxation that raises and maintains and army to defend us from foreign and domestic threats to those rights.
    I can just picture you wearing glasses and saying that....
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So has the Code of Hammurabi, but they are not considered by those who want to put up the 10 Commandments. And there is a minority that disagrees that the 10 commandments have more "morality" than an atheist who does not believe in God, but has his own morality that dictates that you do not kill, steal, or commit other crimes. In forcing the 10 commandments upon him, while not allowing another document representing his own view to be posted, is exactly what our forefathers feared when they spoke of the "tyranny of the majority".
    So then let that minority buy a bronze code of Hamurabai and donate it to the courthouse for display. Problem solved.

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I can just picture you wearing glasses and saying that....
    What's that supposed to mean? I really don't get it...

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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    1) The case was decided years ago, this is simply attorneys fees and costs. The headline is very misleading.

    2) The case was, IMO, rightly decided. The actions of the county were blatantly designed to favor a particular religion, and this display was devoid of any of the contextual elements that would have mitigated its religious nature.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then let that minority buy a bronze code of Hamurabai and donate it to the courthouse for display. Problem solved.
    Not solved if the courthouse refuses to display it.
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    Re: Kentucky counties fined $400,000 for posting Ten Commandments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not solved if the courthouse refuses to display it.
    That's where a lawsuit becomes reasonable.

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