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    Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    The French foreign ministry has voiced "sharp concern" following the Pope's rejection of condom use to fight Aids.

    Benedict XVI, who is on a tour of Africa, said handing out condoms only increased the problem of HIV/Aids.

    The Roman Catholic Church says marital fidelity and sexual abstinence are the best way to prevent the spread of HIV.

    But France, echoing the reaction of some aid agencies, said it "voices extremely sharp concern over the consequences of [the Pope's comments]".

    "While it is not up to us to pass judgment on Church doctrine, we consider that such comments are a threat to public health policies and the duty to protect human life," foreign ministry spokesman Eric Chevallier said.
    This is why religion is seperated from state. The entire idea of the vatican needs to stop, and this sick, twisted old christian bag needs a kick up the butt. The consequences of his words will be enourmous, especially in Africa where christianity plays a big role in many societies. What do you guys think?

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This is why religion is seperated from state. The entire idea of the vatican needs to stop, and this sick, twisted old christian bag needs a kick up the butt. The consequences of his words will be enourmous, especially in Africa where christianity plays a big role in many societies. What do you guys think?
    I think that you can disgaree all you want with the Pope, but you do so understanding that your disagreement means nothing.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This is why religion is seperated from state. The entire idea of the vatican needs to stop, and this sick, twisted old christian bag needs a kick up the butt. The consequences of his words will be enourmous, especially in Africa where christianity plays a big role in many societies. What do you guys think?

    BBC NEWS | Europe | France chastises Pope on condoms
    Africans have much, much, much bigger problems than needing condoms. You've got guys over there who think raping babies will cure them of AID's.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    The problem is not condoms. If anything, they can serve to excerbate the already existing cause for the rampant AIDS crisis - not only in Sub-Saharan Africa, but in other countries such as Thailand. The root of the problem is lack of women's empowerment and education. The men in these places think only of their own sexual gratification. Women are little more than objects in many of these societies. Do you honestly think condoms are going to solve this problem? That is like putting a bucket of water on a five-alarm blaze. The Pope is right. Condoms are not the solution. Wholesale changes in attitudes towards women and education are the only things that will solve the problem.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This is why religion is seperated from state.
    This doesn't even make any sense.

    The entire idea of the vatican needs to stop
    wat

    and this sick, twisted old christian bag needs a kick up the butt. The consequences of his words will be enourmous, especially in Africa where christianity plays a big role in many societies. What do you guys think?
    I don't think he said anything that the church hasn't been saying for the past 50 years.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Condom manufacturers should sue the pope for libel. Its one thing to claim that condoms are not the right solution, that is simply unethical and leads to more deaths from aids. However, claiming that condoms increase the problems of aids is flat out not true and will lead to decrease in the usage of condom sales, which will result in lost revenue for the manufacturers. They should sue the pope for damages. There is a lot of precedent for this sort of case, and the pope is not above the law.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Condom manufacturers should sue the pope for libel. Its one thing to claim that condoms are not the right solution, that is simply unethical and leads to more deaths from aids. However, claiming that condoms increase the problems of aids is flat out not true and will lead to decrease in the usage of condom sales, which will result in lost revenue for the manufacturers. They should sue the pope for damages. There is a lot of precedent for this sort of case, and the pope is not above the law.
    It doesn't work that way. He's not saying "Condoms are ineffective at preventing the spread of HIV because the virus can still get through them" or something similar that is demonstrably untrue. What he said was that HIV is "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which can even increase the problem." The obvious implication of that is that a policy of distributing condoms can lead to a society where there are more sexual partners, which can lead to a spread in HIV.

    His claims might be incorrect or based on insufficient evidence, but they're nowhere near libelous.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    I remain startling unconcerned.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    As the world becomes more educated, fewer and fewer people will listen to the Pope's drivel.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is not condoms. If anything, they can serve to excerbate the already existing cause for the rampant AIDS crisis - not only in Sub-Saharan Africa, but in other countries such as Thailand. The root of the problem is lack of women's empowerment and education. The men in these places think only of their own sexual gratification. Women are little more than objects in many of these societies. Do you honestly think condoms are going to solve this problem? That is like putting a bucket of water on a five-alarm blaze. The Pope is right. Condoms are not the solution. Wholesale changes in attitudes towards women and education are the only things that will solve the problem.
    Uganda's Decline in HIV/AIDS Prevalence Attributed to Increased Condom Use, Early Death From AIDS, Study Says - The Body

    Increased condom use and premature deaths from AIDS-related diseases might be playing more of a role in declining HIV prevalence in Uganda than abstinence and fidelity, according to a study presented Wednesday at the 12th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Boston, the San Francisco Chronicle reports. Supporters of Uganda's ABC method -- which stands for Abstinence, Be faithful, use Condoms -- have "widely credited" the approach with lowering the country's HIV prevalence rate from 30% of adults in the early 1990s to under 10% currently (Russell, San Francisco Chronicle, 2/24). However, the results of the unpublished study -- which was conducted by researchers at the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University and several Ugandan organizations -- "contradict" previous findings that attribute Uganda's declining HIV prevalence to initiatives promoting abstinence and faithfulness to one sexual partner, according to the Washington Post. According to study co-author Maria Wawer of Mailman School of Public Health, the researchers interviewed over a period of 10 years 10,000 people ages 15 to 49 living in 44 villages in the Rakai district of Uganda. They also collected blood and urine samples and asked about participants' health and behavior. Approximately 85% of Rakai's residents cooperated with the study, which also included treatment and prevention services (Brown, Washington Post, 2/24).
    Frequent Male Condom Use Decreases Women's Risk of HPV Infection

    The more consistently women's male sex partners use condoms, the less likely women are to acquire genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infection, according to a longitudinal study among newly sexually active young women.1 Compared with their counterparts whose male partners used condoms less than 5% of the time for vaginal intercourse, women whose partners used them at least half the time had a 50% lower risk of infection and women whose partners used them every time had a 70% lower risk. The pattern was similar in analyses restricted to types of HPV associated with a low risk of cervical cancer as well as those associated with a high risk.
    How safe is sex with condoms?: an in-depth investigation of the condom use pattern during the last sex act in an urban area of Bangladesh | International Journal of Men's Health | Find Articles at BNET

    Condoms may help prevent AIDS over the long term not only by blocking transmission of HIV but also protecting against other STIs. For instance, people with genital ulcerative STIs such as chancroid, genital human papillomavirus, herpes simplex, and syphilis are two to seven times more likely to become infected with HIV than people who do not have STIs (Diallo et al., 1992; Laga, Nzila, & Goeman, 1991). If a condom is not worn before penetration, the pre-ejaculatory fluid that contains HIV and sperm may be secreted inside the vagina. This pre-ejaculatory fluid increases the risk of HIV as well as pregnancy (Ilaria et al., 1992; Pudney, Oneta, Mayer, Seage, & Anderson, 1992; Trussell, 1998). In addition, the contact of the infected mucosal surface with an uninfected surface also facilitates transmission of a number of STIs (Sparling, 1990). Therefore, condoms can only be highly effective if they are used correctly and continuously throughout intercourse (De Visser & Smith, 2000).
    Vatican: Pope opposes condom use to fight AIDS - Adnkronos Religion

    Pope Benedict XVI said on Tuesday that condoms were not the answer to fighting AIDS, as he was about to arrive in Africa on his first visit as pontiff. "The problem cannot be overcome with the distribution of condoms. This only aggravates the problem," Benedict told the media as he flew to the western African country of Cameroon.

    Instead, the pontiff said sexual abstinence was the best way to fight the deadly disease.

    The Vatican has faced strong criticism over its opposition to the use of condoms despite findings by the United Nations' World Health Organisation that "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90 percent.
    Saying that condoms 'aggravate' the problem when they have in fact shown to stop the spread of disease is simply ridiculous. The pope is wrong about condoms. Abstinence programs? Fail. Condom usage? Pass. Anybody claiming otherwise is simply being an apologist for the Catholic Church's status quo on religious ignorance of all science that contradicts their belief. Let us all remember. Galileo was not tried for teaching a theory as fact. He was tried for heresy.
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