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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    but you are not 100% safe.
    Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because I know what the word "safe" means.

    Because I posted a little word movie, just for you, to illustrate the difference between "safe" and "safer". Since that movied didn't work, please refund me the price of your ticket.

    And at the most, it's a paraboic analogy. Falling bodies in constant gravity fields do not follow hyperbolas.
    Well, then we are just arguing semantics here, which is pointless. I think we can both agree that condoms aren't 100% effective.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually I will agree with Scarecrow here on the wording. Condoms themselves are not safe, it is the proper use of condoms that makes it safer than not using them.

    Afterall safe implies that you can't get pregnant, catch STDS, etc. at least in my mind.

    Proper condom use is waaaaaay safer than not using one, but you are not 100% safe.

    Either way, I would prefer educating Africans on proper condom use rather than telling them to abstain.
    YOU understand perfectly.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
    I don't recall saying they should do that.

    They should be allowed recognize the difference between "safe" and "safer" and be enabled to make their own choices.

    They get to buy their own condoms, too.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
    Where did you get I was saying ignore condoms all together?

    I was just saying that the proper wording is in fact SAFER and not SAFE is all.

    I think I clarified that in my last statement that I would rather them be educated in proper condom use than abstinence alone.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I had a Nigerian catholic friend once, he refused to use a condom during sex and what do you know, he contracted HIV. I'd pity him but he got himself into that position
    Well, then he only followed half of the church's teaching, didn't he? Had he saved the sex for a committed marital relationship with someone whose sexual history and HIV status he knew, he wouldn't have contracted HIV. The church teaches that, too.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Condoms is not a solution but it is a wonderful starting place.

    Muslim Sub Saharan Africa has little aids and not to the scale of other places, you get a step into where the Pope has his stranglehold and deathgrip and you notice it's off the roof.
    Perhaps because the Muslims in northern Africa are doing exactly what the Pope suggests?
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    They aren't 100% effective, but they are far more effective than not using anything at all. It's better to be safe than sorry.
    It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
    Not everyone subscribes to that religious ideology. I certainly don't. It's absurd to expect everyone to.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
    Sure. Abstinence is the safest method, but I believe that asking people to go against their primal nature is sure to fail most of the time. I know that abstinence was not a feasible option for me, thus protection and not sleeping with promiscuous women has worked for me so far.
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