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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I realize that fully. But sometimes there "opinions" do not allow minority rights and freedom of expression, so in a way, seperation of state and church is partially because we disagree with there opinions. Which is why religion can be dangerous when mixed with politics. If they did have an official place in politics and they stopped us from using condoms, what would the affects of that be? Easier transmission of STD's along with many other negative affects. Which is why, and ill say it again, seperation of church and state is good! And how about people, paticularly young people, who get raped and wish to seek an abortion? People who do not want children, who want sex without having to worry about becoming pregnant?
    So now you've gone from saying that "the entire vatican needs to stop" to saying that religious institutions should not control the political process. I agree with that.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    So now you've gone from saying that "the entire vatican needs to stop" to saying that religious institutions should not control the political process. I agree with that.
    Well ideally, i would like the entire vatican to stop completely, but i know that wont happen and its unrealistic to think it will, because i also respect the fact the vatican is important to many religious people. So the second best think i can come up with is religious institutions not having any kind of role in the political process
    But this includes the vatican getting involved in any type of national or international political thing, which includes there opinions on a paticular war, or issue, or matter, whether the holocaust happened or not, how we should combat AIDS by NOT using condoms, etc etc. They should just keep to themselves a bit more.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Well ideally, i would like the entire vatican to stop completely, but i know that wont happen and its unrealistic to think it will, because i also respect the fact the vatican is important to many religious people. So the second best think i can come up with is religious institutions not having any kind of role in the political process
    But this includes the vatican getting involved in any type of national or international political thing, which includes there opinions on a paticular war, or issue, or matter, whether the holocaust happened or not, etc etc. They should just keep to themselves a bit more.
    Unfortunately that will never happen because people in power have religious beliefs and are bound to be influenced by them when making decisions.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Unfortunately that will never happen because people in power have religious beliefs and are bound to be influenced by them when making decisions.
    Thank God we're not all running to Anton LaVey for advice.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Thank God we're not all running to Anton LaVey for advice.
    Well, he's dead. That would be a little hard to do. Regardless, I don't see how Anton LaVey's influence would somehow be harmful. Do you know anything about Satanism?

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Condoms aren't 100% reliable.

    Just tell people to not have sex with infected people.

    Isolation colonies for the infectious is a good place to start.
    Its Africa we are talking about, most of them have no clue about AIDS or its affects, and cant afford to take tests and get checked out. What do you expect we do anyway, round up the infected?

    Right, the proper answer to speech you disagree with is....to cut off that speech. I would add "freedom of speech" to your list of things to look up, right under "separation of church and state."
    The vatican plays an import role in society, a very influential rule not just in society but around the world, with the ability to alter politics. So instead of adding stopping freedom of speech to the list the way you suggested, get rid of the vatican. As i said previously, its probably not realistic to think this is possible, but that is one of the reasons why i think the vatican should cease to exist.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Condoms aren't 100% reliable.
    Tell me the chances of someone infected with AIDS to pass it on to someone after sex, compared to the chances of getting infected by it using a condom? I think that pretty much concludes it; 100% effective or not, they work, and thats all that matters.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, he's dead. That would be a little hard to do. Regardless, I don't see how Anton LaVey's influence would somehow be harmful. Do you know anything about Satanism?
    Enough to know it's garbage and completely untenable in a civilized society.



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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The vatican plays an import role in society, a very influential rule not just in society but around the world, with the ability to alter politics. So instead of adding stopping freedom of speech to the list the way you suggested, get rid of the vatican. As i said previously, its probably not realistic to think this is possible, but that is one of the reasons why i think the vatican should cease to exist.
    They may have influence, but there's nothing wrong with that. The only reason you would advocate ridding the world of the vatican is because you don't agree with their religious ideology. I don't agree with it either, but I think people should have a right to believe what they want to believe. I do have a problem when they try to shove it down my throat and understand that religion having influence on leaders can be dangerous. However, short of completely banning organized religion I think all we can do is continue to speak out against things and express our beliefs or get into a position of power where you can make changes based on your own beliefs.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Enough to know it's garbage and completely untenable in a civilized society.
    Ah, so you just copied and pasted some stuff from wikipedia, which basically means you know absolutely nothing about Satanism. Gotcha.

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