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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is not condoms. If anything, they can serve to excerbate the already existing cause for the rampant AIDS crisis - not only in Sub-Saharan Africa, but in other countries such as Thailand.

    Condoms are not the solution. Wholesale changes in attitudes towards women and education are the only things that will solve the problem.

    Condoms is not a solution but it is a wonderful starting place.

    Muslim Sub Saharan Africa has little aids and not to the scale of other places, you get a step into where the Pope has his stranglehold and deathgrip and you notice it's off the roof.

    I had a Nigerian catholic friend once, he refused to use a condom during sex and what do you know, he contracted HIV. I'd pity him but he got himself into that position

    Perhaps Africans need to lighten up and realise Christianity is not all that if the Pope's stupidity is leading you to an early grave ...

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I think that you can disgaree all you want with the Pope, but you do so understanding that your disagreement means nothing.
    What do you mean, Goobieman? In the sense that the Pope will be the pope and we can disagree all we want about discouraging the use of condoms, but whatever we say, he will continue to discourage there use?
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This doesn't even make any sense.



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    I don't think he said anything that the church hasn't been saying for the past 50 years.
    It does make sense, unless you cannot grasp the idea behind seperation of church and state. If religion played a role in politics, there stupid beliefs would cause all sorts of blunders like this one.
    The past 50 years? The use of condoms have always been discouraged within the church, where have you been? Secondly, when the Vatican himself voices his concerns, the message the church is trying to get across becomes so much stronger and people begin to pay more attention, which can be dangerous.

    Condoms is not a solution but it is a wonderful starting place.
    Your absolutely right, but can the condom be overlooked? Not at all. It plays a significant role in combating AIDS in Africa.

    Africans have much, much, much bigger problems than needing condoms. You've got guys over there who think raping babies will cure them of AID's.
    Bloody hell

    I remain startling unconcerned.
    I couldnt care less.

    The problem is not condoms. If anything, they can serve to excerbate the already existing cause for the rampant AIDS crisis
    No, its not the problem. But its a major part of the problem.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Bloody hell
    I **** you not. Ignorance is the biggest problem in Africa and that's not an easy fix. They need to do most of the work themselves and it's going to take a long time. I'm sure there are already programs out there to hand out condoms, but unless they want to go out of their way to get/use them it's pointless.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    I **** you not. Ignorance is the biggest problem in Africa and that's not an easy fix. They need to do most of the work themselves and it's going to take a long time. I'm sure there are already programs out there to hand out condoms, but unless they want to go out of their way to get/use them it's pointless.
    Its just the first ive heard of anything like that

    And well, yeah, if they think raping babies is the cure for AIDS then they do have a long way to go.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    It does make sense, unless you cannot grasp the idea behind seperation of church and state. If religion played a role in politics, there stupid beliefs would cause all sorts of blunders like this one.
    The reasons behind the "separation of church and state" have nothing to do with whether someone thinks the opinions of a religious group are bad and everything to do with questions of minority rights, free expression and purity of religious experience.

    The past 50 years? The use of condoms have always been discouraged within the church, where have you been?
    The number 50 was used as a placeholder to point out the fact that nothing the Pope is saying. Hence, why this isn't a surprise. Hence, why I'm not sure why you're so up in arms over something everyone knows.

    Secondly, when the Vatican himself voices his concerns, the message the church is trying to get across becomes so much stronger and people begin to pay more attention, which can be dangerous.
    Right, the proper answer to speech you disagree with is....to cut off that speech. I would add "freedom of speech" to your list of things to look up, right under "separation of church and state."

    Your absolutely right, but can the condom be overlooked? Not at all. It plays a significant role in combating AIDS in Africa.
    So does monogamy, and it's the Pope's prerogative to push whichever one he feels like.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is not condoms. If anything, they can serve to excerbate the already existing cause for the rampant AIDS crisis - not only in Sub-Saharan Africa, but in other countries such as Thailand. The root of the problem is lack of women's empowerment and education. The men in these places think only of their own sexual gratification. Women are little more than objects in many of these societies. Do you honestly think condoms are going to solve this problem? That is like putting a bucket of water on a five-alarm blaze. The Pope is right. Condoms are not the solution. Wholesale changes in attitudes towards women and education are the only things that will solve the problem.
    I agree. I think it is idiotic to think that dumping a **** load of condoms is somehow going to prevent aids.What is going to prevent aids is changing people's attitude about sex. They need to get off this whole personal gratification attitude about sex.These people arguing that somehow dropping a ****load of condoms on these people will stop aids are probably the same morons who think circumcision helps prevent aids.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These people arguing that somehow dropping a ****load of condoms on these people will stop aids are probably the same morons who think circumcision helps prevent aids.
    Er......it does.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This is why religion is seperated from state. The entire idea of the vatican needs to stop, and this sick, twisted old christian bag needs a kick up the butt. The consequences of his words will be enourmous, especially in Africa where christianity plays a big role in many societies. What do you guys think?

    BBC NEWS | Europe | France chastises Pope on condoms
    Condoms aren't 100% reliable.

    Just tell people to not have sex with infected people.

    Isolation colonies for the infectious is a good place to start.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    The reasons behind the "separation of church and state" have nothing to do with whether someone thinks the opinions of a religious group are bad and everything to do with questions of minority rights, free expression and purity of religious experience.
    I realize that fully. But sometimes there "opinions" do not allow minority rights and freedom of expression, so in a way, seperation of state and church is partially because we disagree with there opinions, because from an honest, decent, realistic point of view, there opinions can be bad despite how good they believe there actions or beliefs may be. Which is why religion can be dangerous when mixed with politics. If they did have an official place in politics and they stopped us from using condoms, what would the affects of that be? Easier transmission of STD's along with many other negative affects. Which is why, and ill say it again, seperation of church and state is good! Because many of there opinions do not match the ideals of a democracy in a modern nation, and now they no longer have a say in our politics, progression will be all that easier!
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