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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

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    That was very common in the late 1800s in places like Minnesota.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    We have no restictions regarding race, color, ect ...

    We have members from all walks of life. In fact, the LDS church has members in almost every country around the world (there are some exceptions).
    You dodged my question. What year did God send a revelation to the LDS church telling them it was okay for blacks to become priests?
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I'm not a Catholic.
    Good, so you shouldn't have a problem when the Pope gives advice to Catholic people.

    He is make a bad situation worse by speaking out.
    Then let his actions bring harm. If they do, he will be exposed as an archaic dinosaur clinging to Bronze Age nonsense.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I'm not a Catholic. I survived a year of education at a Catholic school. The Pope doesn't have to condone condoms but he does not need to speak out against them.

    He is make a bad situation worse by speaking out.
    But he believes that distributing condoms makes things worse. He cites reports of HIV increasing in places where they are distributed.

    And then he cites reports of success where teaching faithfulness and abstinence.

    It's just not a given that handing out lots of condoms is the answer. It seems to me that there needs to be some morality taught along with condom distribution.

    From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square by Kathryn Jean Lopez on National Review Online

    “The pope is correct,” Green told National Review Online Wednesday, “or put it a better way, the best evidence we have supports the pope’s comments. He stresses that “condoms have been proven to not be effective at the ‘level of population.’”
    Green is the director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    That would be the only guaranteed way to avoid a fatal car crash.
    Of course it would, but its impraticle never to be able to use a car again, and highly unlikely you will never need to ride one or never will. Which is the point with the condoms. To tell people to refrain from sex is one thing, to expect them to actually do it is another. Its an unrealistic approach, highly likely anybody will refrain from it completely and just down right diabolical to actually expect that from people. Some people are even unaware they have AIDS in africa because of non existing access to health infrastructure, so even in those cases when two people have not been tested, its advisable to wear condoms. You cannot deny there scientific purpose, and they will help to stop HIV, without unrealistic demands.

    Abstinence has never worked effectively amongst large infected populations, the high birth rate in Africa also indicates it will be largely ineffective, and asking the 40 odd million infected people to refrain from sex will not work.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    You dodged my question. What year did God send a revelation to the LDS church telling them it was okay for blacks to become priests?
    Still waiting for your answer, Vader.
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Still waiting for your answer, Vader.
    God never had to give such a revalation because the LDS church has never discriminated.

    We're all about equal opportunity.

    How many black catholic priests do you know?

    Also ....

    The server has been down.... or I would've rebuked you long ago.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Don't try and re-write history Vader.


    "How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will REMAIN UPON THEM, and THEY NEVER CAN HOLD THE PRIESTHOOD or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favourable position, THE CHILDREN OF CAIN CANNOT RECEIVE THE FIRST ORDINANCES OF THE PRIESTHOOD
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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Don't try and re-write history Vader.




    Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pp. 290-291

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    I never heard that.

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    Re: Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

    Vader whats the LDS church?
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
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