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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    According to this map, the four countries in Africa with the highest AIDS rates are Zimbabwe, Botswana, Zambia, and Swaziland.

    What are their Catholic populations?

    Zimbabwe: 8.8%
    Zambia: 28.2%
    Botswana: 4.8%
    Swaziland: 5.6%

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    So, how exactly is the Pope's teaching a problem when three of the four worst AIDS problems in Africa are in countries with less than 10% Catholic population?
    Because they think raping virgins cures AIDS.

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This is SAFER than condoms or any other man-made contraption.
    The reality of the situation is NO, it isn't safer. It's like saying abstinence only education prevents Aids and STDs. Look at the statistics, they prove what you are saying is wrong.

    People are not going to be abstinent, so for those that choose not to it is better to allow condoms.

    But hey, don't let facts get in your way of spreading the gospel

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Because they think raping virgins cures AIDS.
    I don't really think it's funny. It's sad. If you think about it, you can see how they could come up with such a belief. They probably know that AIDS comes from having sex. They don't know what AIDS is or what a virus in general is. What is AIDS to them? Evil. Virgins are innocent and good and thus free from AIDS. The correlation between sex, AIDS, and evil is made. Now, I'd imagine that they might believe that they can restore themselves to a state of balance by transmitting the evil they've accumulated through promiscuity by raping a virgin. The virgin comes out 50/50 good/evil and the rapist comes out 50/50 good/evil. Kinda like karma...

    Even if this metaphysical representation of AIDS were true, wouldn't this act constitute an act of evil? Absolutely. That's what I don't understand is how they can not think of the victim. Typical rapists...

    I would suggest that the best way we can fight the root problem in Africa (ignorance) is by giving them knowledge.

    These charities look good:

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The reality of the situation is NO, it isn't safer. It's like saying abstinence only education prevents Aids and STDs. Look at the statistics, they prove what you are saying is wrong.

    People are not going to be abstinent, so for those that choose not to it is better to allow condoms.

    But hey, don't let facts get in your way of spreading the gospel
    You actually believe using condoms is safer than following the teachings of the Church?
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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You actually believe using condoms is safer than following the teachings of the Church?
    I don't think that's what he meant.

    If everyone followed abstinence only education, it would be perfect... but the reality is, few people do. Abstinence only education has not improved the health status of the infected regions in Africa. Condoms serve to mitigate further risk in the face of the reality that people are not listening to abstinence only education.

    If you actually follow the teachings of the church, then your risk will be reduced. However, this does not account for people who are already infected by AIDS, choose marriage as their route to sexual activity, and then infect their partners because they do not believe in condom usage. One such illustration has already been provided in this thread.

    Catholicism is not the cure to the AIDS epidemic. It never was, and never will be. I support the Church doing other helpful activities in the region, but when it comes to medical and social science, it is simply too primitive.

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You actually believe using condoms is safer than following the teachings of the Church?
    Abstinence approach : Fail.

    FOXNews.com - Study Finds Abstinence-Only Programs Fail to Reduce Teen Sexual Behavior - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

    Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior, although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants, according to a study released by a nonpartisan group that seeks to reduce teen pregnancies.
    Experts say US sex abstinence program doesn't work | Reuters

    WASHINGTON, April 23 (Reuters) - Programs teaching U.S. schoolchildren to abstain from sex have not cut teen pregnancies or sexually transmitted diseases or delayed the age at which sex begins, health groups told Congress on Wednesday.

    The Bush administration, however, voiced continuing support for such programs during a hearing before a House of Representatives panel even as many Democrats called for cutting off federal money for so-called abstinence-only instruction.
    Contraception : Pass

    Aidsmap | Microbicide reduces HIV infections by 30% in first success for field

    Campaigners were celebrating the results of a trial of a microbicide to prevent HIV that has produced a positive result, the first one to do so. The results of the HPTN 035 were announced at the Sixteenth Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Montreal today.

    Microbicides are chemicals that can be incorporated into gels, foams or devices that can be used in the vagina (and potentially the rectum) to prevent HIV transmission during sex. A number of previous studies in women in sub-Saharan Africa have failed to show a protective effect of microbicide candidates, including Carraguard and cellulose sulphate (UsherCell).
    HIV infections to soar by 75 per cent | NSW/ACT | News.com.au

    Condom use is known to dramatically cut the risk of HIV transmission. But even though researchers have previously found that condom use has been falling, David Wilson, the lead author of the report, said the reduction in condom use could account for only part of the increase in infections.

    "The only way we could account for the increases that were observed is with the coupling of both the direct effects of the lack of protection due to decreased condom use, with the increase in other sexually transmitted infections also caused by decreased condom use," he said.
    ...........seriously. That you're still arguing against a fact is pretty sad. The teachings of the church rely on being naive and ignoring biological and social factors. Condom use relies on common sense. One lowers the rate of HIV. The other has been shown to make it worse.
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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

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    The United Nations AIDS agency has joined the chorus of politicians and activists critical of Pope Benedict XVI for saying as he embarked on a tour of Africa this week that condoms “increase the problem” of the disease. With more than 7,400 new infections of H.I.V., which causes AIDS, reported daily, “condoms are an essential part of combination prevention,” the agency, Unaids, said Thursday in a statement issued from its Geneva headquarters. The statement added that the condom was “the single, most efficient, available technology to reduce the sexual transmission of H.I.V. and other sexually transmitted infections.” Unaids said it had made strides in getting sexually active young people in many African countries to start using condoms. The pope, who said Mass before some 60,000 people in Yaoundé, Cameroon, on Thursday, had stressed abstinence as the key method to combat AIDS.
    It's not that the Pope is only supporting abstinence only education, but he is also spreading misinformation about condoms, calling them ineffective and problematic.

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Do you think Africans are too stupid, or too morally bankrupt to learn to control the behaviors that spread AIDS?


    Africa | Catholic Relief Services --and that's just the USCCB. Worldwide, Catholic charitable services are leaders in caring for those in need.
    I would exchange "stupid, or too morally bankrupt" with uneducated.

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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I would exchange "stupid, or too morally bankrupt" with uneducated.
    Thanks to people who teach abstinence only.
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    Re: Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Yeah--he could lead them in prayer--...keep having sex outside of the bond of marriage and pray that the little latex prophylactic baking in the African sun holds up. Great plan.
    People will have sex. The primal instinct to procreate is too strong to deny. Abstinence education fails. A condom has a better change of protection than prayer, obviously, or else prayer would have solved all our problems.

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