More ad homs. Tell me. Do you support the Catholic Church telling people not to use condoms? :lol:
Yes, more ad homs because you are the butt of your own joke at this point.
I support the Catholic Church providing aid and relief to Africa's poor and sick. I do not support the expectation that in order for them to do this that they must abandon their doctrine and dogma.
You claimed that the Catholic Church is not making the problem worse. This is proven demonstratively false by the people handling the situation from a medical perspective and not from a religious one. Do you have ANYTHING else you want to claim? Or are you going to sit here and tell me that you're now a big supporter of the Church's abstinence only position?
I never said that I was a big supporter of abstinence only. I stated that I was in support of the Church doing what the Church does in Africa and that until another force comes along that can provide that relief, all the Church bashers should be ignored as the hypocrites and hysterics that they are.
And no, you have not demonstratively shown anything. You've caterwauled and thrown irrelevant statistics around, but you have failed to address the actual issue here. You just bitched about the Catholic Church...helping people. Again. And you will do the same tomorrow and the day after that. It's all you know how to do.
Actually. AIDS does see class and social boundaries.
No, it does not. AIDS sees victims in all classes and social groups. Except maybe nuns. ZOMG!!!!!! Abstinence might work after all. :doh
AIDS is prevalent in Africa, South America and everywhere else where people live in poverty and are both highly religious and highly uneducated.
And in gay men who are typically more affluent and educated. It sees no difference in me or an African hut dweller when there is an opening.
North America, Europe and most modernized countries in Asia do not seem to have this problem? Why? Even the AIDS epidemic in America during the 80s does not compare to the situation in Africa. Why? Could it be because people smartened up? Started using condoms more regularly? Started educating themselves about dangerous sexual practices? I'm willing to bet a shinny dollar that it's because of that and not because they chose to engage in FAILED religious programs like those supported by the Catholic Church?
Once again, the Church isn't there to teach sex ed. It is there to provide relief and spiritual guidance.
Who blamed it solely on the church? I said they were partly responsible but only because they take advantage of the highly uneducated masses. Keep trying.
I don't need to anymore. In fact, I am afraid if I continue to demonstrate how you have failed, you just might have your head explode and I don't want your wife to have a mess to clean up.
You keep trying to bait me. Why? Is it because you can't seem to comprehend that the way that the way the CC is going about this is simply wrong and not helping anyone? Even after it's been proven so? Even after abstinence programs have been discredited for the failure that they are?
No, it is because you keep trying to apply a standard to the Catholic Church that does not fit. What you fail to understand is that the Catholic Church isn't there to pass out condoms so criticizing them for not doing so is, at best, a fools errand. No one is saying that abstinence programs aren't a failure. What is being said is that the Church isn't stopping anyone from passing out condoms but the Church also isn't going to move away from its core belief that abstinence is moral and good. That is not enough to condemn the church's efforts in all other arenas.
Even after you YOURSELF have argued against abstinence programs?
I still do.
Or is it because it is the Catholic Church that you're getting all offended?
No, I am getting all offended because I find lies and distortions being peddled under the guys of "THINK OF THE AAAAAAFRICAAAANS!!!!" to be offensive on all fronts.