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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I'm not a big fan of Pelosi either, I was just illustrating that I think the term far too often gets thrown around and assigned to people just because one doesn't agree with their political views. That's just stupid to me.
    I agree with the premise, I too don't think standing in the way of an idealogical agenda is treason and the term shouldn't be used as a political tool by either side, all I am getting at is Pelosi's statement is dangerously close in this instance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    If you are going to use lame insults at least own up to them.
    It's not an insult to point out someone's ignorance of a topic.

    If you tried to drag me into a discussion of the relative merits of various power tools and other sex toys, I'd have to claim ignorance of the subject.


    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I didn't bother to read it because I put far more stock in a dictionary than what an economist/philosopher has to say.
    In other words, you didn't want to read a book written in 1946 that discussed the contempory usage of the word at that time as compared to both earlier times and today, because, by golly, you know what you know and you're not about let anything like a mere fact change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I didn't realize that the definition of liberal as shown in any dictionary was such an obscure object that I had to provide it to you and that you couldn't look it up yourself.
    I know how to define liberal: ( * )

    How do you define it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Meaning what exactly? I'm not the one coming up with absurd conspiracy theories about how evil liberals are.
    That's not a conspiracy theory, that's a moral assessment of their policies and goals.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    No, I'm saying that your opinion carries as much weight as any opinion does. Just because you think it's true doesn't automatically mean that it is. Keep trying, though.
    Then again, if you think it's wrong, you probably are.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    The usual suspects that are based on stereotypical views that you have about liberals.
    That, and direction empirical evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I fail to see how voting for Obama means that one holds him as a hero.
    Why else would someone cast a vote for someone so clearly and completely incorrect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    The man hasn't even proven himself as to how good of a President he will be.
    Yes, he has.

    He's not going to be good at all.

    In less than sixty days, he's spent two trillion dollars to do nothing.
    He's allowed the Russians to massively embarass him.
    He's told our Polish allies that our assurances to them don't last longer than the next flush.
    He's said the disabled veteran should use private insurance to cover his medical costs...and then he's withdrawn that statement.
    He can't talk without a teleprompter.
    He thinks the stock market is no more important than daily poll numbers.
    He's stated repeatedly that he will not do what's needed to be done to fix the ecomony, ie, cutting taxes and cutting spending.
    He can't find cabinet members who've paid their taxes.

    etc etc etc.

    Of course we know he's going to be a bad president.

    He's a Democrat.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, he has.

    He's not going to be good at all.

    In less than sixty days, he's spent two trillion dollars to do nothing.
    He's allowed the Russians to massively embarass him.
    He's told our Polish allies that our assurances to them don't last longer than the next flush.
    He's said the disabled veteran should use private insurance to cover his medical costs...and then he's withdrawn that statement.
    He can't talk without a teleprompter.
    He thinks the stock market is no more important than daily poll numbers.
    He's stated repeatedly that he will not do what's needed to be done to fix the ecomony, ie, cutting taxes and cutting spending.
    He can't find cabinet members who've paid their taxes.

    etc etc etc.

    Of course we know he's going to be a bad president.

    He's a Democrat..

    Well put.


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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree with the premise, I too don't think standing in the way of an idealogical agenda is treason and the term shouldn't be used as a political tool by either side, all I am getting at is Pelosi's statement is dangerously close in this instance.
    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
    Just throwing that out there... I'm not sure if perjury constitutes treason. I don't think the statement in question constitutes treason or perjury, but a lot of the attempts by the left to overthrow the Constitution do.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not an insult to point out someone's ignorance of a topic.

    If you tried to drag me into a discussion of the relative merits of various power tools and other sex toys, I'd have to claim ignorance of the subject.




    In other words, you didn't want to read a book written in 1946 that discussed the contempory usage of the word at that time as compared to both earlier times and today, because, by golly, you know what you know and you're not about let anything like a mere fact change that.



    I know how to define liberal: ( * )

    How do you define it?



    That's not a conspiracy theory, that's a moral assessment of their policies and goals.



    Then again, if you think it's wrong, you probably are.



    That, and direction empirical evidence.



    Why else would someone cast a vote for someone so clearly and completely incorrect?



    Yes, he has.

    He's not going to be good at all.

    In less than sixty days, he's spent two trillion dollars to do nothing.
    He's allowed the Russians to massively embarass him.
    He's told our Polish allies that our assurances to them don't last longer than the next flush.
    He's said the disabled veteran should use private insurance to cover his medical costs...and then he's withdrawn that statement.
    He can't talk without a teleprompter.
    He thinks the stock market is no more important than daily poll numbers.
    He's stated repeatedly that he will not do what's needed to be done to fix the ecomony, ie, cutting taxes and cutting spending.
    He can't find cabinet members who've paid their taxes.

    etc etc etc.

    Of course we know he's going to be a bad president.

    He's a Democrat.
    Well, thank you for confirming that you are a hyper-partisan hack and not worthy of engaging in discussion.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not an insult to point out someone's ignorance of a topic.

    If you tried to drag me into a discussion of the relative merits of various power tools and other sex toys, I'd have to claim ignorance of the subject.




    In other words, you didn't want to read a book written in 1946 that discussed the contempory usage of the word at that time as compared to both earlier times and today, because, by golly, you know what you know and you're not about let anything like a mere fact change that.



    I know how to define liberal: ( * )

    How do you define it?



    That's not a conspiracy theory, that's a moral assessment of their policies and goals.



    Then again, if you think it's wrong, you probably are.



    That, and direction empirical evidence.



    Why else would someone cast a vote for someone so clearly and completely incorrect?



    Yes, he has.

    He's not going to be good at all.

    In less than sixty days, he's spent two trillion dollars to do nothing. Much of the money hasn't actually been spent yet, most of it still waiting for programatic disbursement. So saying the expenditures have "done nothing" is fairly misleading on your part.
    He's allowed the Russians to massively embarass him. Whether or not he's actually embarrassed is a personal matter. But you go on and read his mind all you want.
    He's told our Polish allies that our assurances to them don't last longer than the next flush. That is a load of crap. Substantiate this.
    He's said the disabled veteran should use private insurance to cover his medical costs...and then he's withdrawn that statement. As well he should have, it was a terrible idea. It was offered up, loudly rejected, and quietly taken off the table.
    He can't talk without a teleprompter. Oh horse****. Please don't be obtuse.
    He thinks the stock market is no more important than daily poll numbers. Once again, more unsubstantiated drivel.
    He's stated repeatedly that he will not do what's needed to be done to fix the ecomony, ie, cutting taxes and cutting spending. Way to spin the hell out of the idea that you have different thoughts about what is the best economic strategy for this nation right now, but only yours are right. I suppose with this mindset, you probably should be putting words in his mouth and misrepresenting his position.
    He can't find cabinet members who've paid their taxes. More extrapolation from the peanut gallery.

    etc etc etc. Your partisan rhetoric machine run out of hot air already?

    Of course we know he's going to be a bad president.

    He's a Democrat.
    Good lord, can you mix any more dishonesty in with your bull****?
    Last edited by Lerxst; 03-19-09 at 10:45 PM.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, thank you for confirming that you are a hyper-partisan hack and not worthy of engaging in discussion.
    Precisely.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Just throwing that out there... I'm not sure if perjury constitutes treason. I don't think the statement in question constitutes treason or perjury, but a lot of the attempts by the left to overthrow the Constitution do.
    That's the thing, what they are doing is illegal, just not treason, derilection of duty is a reasonable charge, as well as malfeasance, but we do need to start holding those that abuse the constitution legally acountable.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's the thing, what they are doing is illegal, just not treason, derilection of duty is a reasonable charge, as well as malfeasance, but we do need to start holding those that abuse the constitution legally acountable.
    Well, the problem is proving that they're knowingly trying to subvert the Constitution. I'm going to go ahead and assume that they've all read Article I, Section 8, so I'm not sure how they could not know it but perhaps some of them haven't read it?

    Another key point is that we have a people willing to elect these people over and over and over again.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    She's consistent. She, like most in Congress, is a Globalist,
    therefore she believes that nations are an obsolete concept
    that only the rube class believes in. Illegals are, to her, fellow
    Globalists knocking down the walls of Nationalist Oppression.
    Take the red pill.

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