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Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

Three (California, New York, Illinois) of the top five states with illegal immigrants are now fiscally bankrupt. Texas and Florida are on the edge.

Coincidence?

More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.
 
More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.

Most of these people, if made legal, will qualify for more state and federal benefits.

That is not a good idea, considering we already have a shortage of jobs and a surplus of workers.
 
Most of these people, if made legal, will qualify for more state and federal benefits.
They should not qualify for any state benefits unless they are full employed and paying taxes for those benefits. I am not suggesting they be made citizens. If they don't have employment then they should be deported and do not qualify for benefits or unemployment.

That is not a good idea, considering we already have a shortage of jobs and a surplus of workers.
I am talking more during a normal economy, not today's circumstances. There is no general solution that will work during a recession and an argument could even be made that new work visa's should be put on temporary hold during economic downfall for fear of unemployed citizens competing for jobs with non-citizens on work visa's.
 
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They should not qualify for any state benefits unless they are full employed and paying taxes. I am not suggesting they be made citizens. If they don't have employment then they should be deported.

I'm really not sure either way, I work with people from South America and the ones who wanted to stay here (at least the ones I work with) are here and for the most part legal.

The others, including one guy who had been here 16 years, have left.
When he left he took all that he earned, not counting what he sent back during the time he was here, back to his home country.

I'd say a lot of those here don't want to stay and will only take advantage of the system until they go home.

I am talking over all, not today's circumstances specifically.

That is a good start to some sort of compromise.
 
I'm really not sure either way, I work with people from South America and the ones who wanted to stay here (at least the ones I work with) are here and for the most part legal.

The others, including one guy who had been here 16 years, have left.
When he left he took all that he earned, not counting what he sent back during the time he was here, back to his home country.

I'd say a lot of those here don't want to stay and will only take advantage of the system until they go home.

As long as they are paying into the system like everyone else they are free to do whatever they want with the money they legally earn for their services.

The problem with today's illegal immigration and difficulty of obtaining work visa's is that we realistically have millions of workers that are doing jobs illegally that we could easily allow them to do legally and thus allowing us to receive tax benefits from their work and them to advance their livelihood.

But those on the right would rather spend billions of dollars spanking these people back across the border every time they cross then to allow the country to fiscally benefit from their current continuous work.
 
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As long as they are paying into the system like everyone else they are free to do whatever they want with the money they legally earn for their services.

The problem with today's illegal immigration and difficulty of obtaining work visa's is that we realistically have millions of workers that are doing jobs illegally that we could easily allow them to do legally and thus allowing us to receive tax benefits from their work and them to advance their livelihood.

But those on the right would rather spend billions of dollars spanking these people back across the border every time they cross then to allow the country to fiscally benefit from their current illegal work by allowing them to work legally and thus pay taxes.

I'm personally not happy with them skirting the system ahead of other people.

I'm not sure how to approach it.
 
I'm personally not happy with them skirting the system ahead of other people.

Oh I'm not either. I just think it's more trouble then it's worth to round up everyone that is currently here, deport them, and ask them to please come back legally. It would be a waste of billions of dollars just to make point.

I'm more for cutting our losses and allowing easier work visa's and allowing those currently here to obtain these visa's. Once this is done then the consequences for working here illegally should be increased because then it really comes down to tax evasion.
 
Oh I'm not either. I just think it's more trouble then it's worth to round up everyone that is currently here, deport them, and ask them to please come back legally. It would be a waste of billions of dollars just to make point.

I'm more for cutting our losses and allowing easier work visa's and allowing those currently here to obtain these visa's. Once this is done then the consequences for working here illegally should be increased because then it really comes down to tax evasion.

I think holding the employers accountable is a valid tactic for attrition.

I really don't like holding people to different standards, considering if any of us intentionally avoided taxes we would be in deep doo doo.
 
I also find it amusing that you think the above will solve the problem because the above is exactly what happens today. The illegal immigrants that are arrested and deported just turn right back around and enter the US again and find a new employer.

Personally I would rather make work visa's easier to obtain to allow immigrants to legally work, pay taxes, increase our economy, international relations, and lower criminal activity. But that's just me.
Personally, I would rather make the profit incentive to hire illegals financially prohibitive. Levy stiff fines (accumulative) and quadruple the state/local tax rates of employers who utilize illegal immigrants. But that's just me.
 
More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.

What about the 320+ billion a year they cost the U.S., ever wonder why we are over budget and that's not even counting misc.stuff.

So what if it cost 50 million to send them home we'd save 270 billion that year.

They broke the law to get hear you don't reward that kind of behavior if you do,you might as well release all non-violent offenders in prison also.

If you think about this financially it's a war, because they are killing us, by us supporting them.Most send their money back home so it's not helping our economy much at all.

I'm not trying to say they are causing all of our problems,because our government does a pretty good job by itself, but why throw another log on the fire.
 
Three (California, New York, Illinois) of the top five states with illegal immigrants are now fiscally bankrupt. Texas and Florida are on the edge.

Coincidence?

Yes.

California has an archaic tax code (for example, property taxes are frozen from the time one purchases it. If someone bought a house in 1970 for $200k that's now worth $1m, they will pay less in property taxes than someone who buys a house today worth $500k) and suffers from political paralysis more than any other. Also, the state is highly dependent on capital gains on the richest, which have fallen significantly due to the recession.

New York is dependent, in no small part, on taxes on bonuses on exec's, which makes usually 30%, on average, of 4th quarter revenue. From 2007 to 2008, bonuses fell by 45% and, according to the state comptroller, cost NY $1b in personal income tax revenue.

I am not familiar with the situation in Illinois, though I can tell you that in Texas the problem is not illegal immigration.

Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems. It is an untruthful tactic used to stoke anger from people who do not know better. Instead, an honest politician would say that budget crisis is due to falling revenue which is due to recession. Or, if they really had balls (which is most obviously lacking in CA), they would say to there constituents that there unwillingness to reform taxes to meet the new reality must necessitate a cut in spending.

As for Pelosi (and every other DC dumbass who has been there so long they've literally become detached from reality), two words:

Term Limits.
 
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Yes.

California has an archaic tax code (for example, property taxes are frozen from the time one purchases it. If someone bought a house in 1970 for $200k that's now worth $1m, they will pay less in property taxes than someone who buys a house today worth $500k) and suffers from political paralysis more than any other. Also, the state is highly dependent on capital gains on the richest, which have fallen significantly due to the recession.

New York is dependent, in no small part, on taxes on bonuses on exec's, which makes usually 30%, on average, of 4th quarter revenue. From 2007 to 2008, bonuses fell by 45% and, according to the state comptroller, cost NY $1b in personal income tax revenue.

I am not familiar with the situation in Illinois, though I can tell you that in Texas the problem is not illegal immigration.

Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems. It is an untruthful tactic used to stoke anger from people who do not know better. Instead, an honest politician would say that budget crisis is due to falling revenue which is due to recession. Or, if they really had balls (which is most obviously lacking in CA), they would say to there constituents that there unwillingness to reform taxes to meet the new reality must necessitate a cut in spending.

As for Pelosi (and every other DC dumbass who has been there so long they've literally become detached from reality), two words:

Term Limits.

California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion A Year : Diggers Realm

9 billion reasons for them to leave.

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From your link:

Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost, estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report.

So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

Secondly, that number has to be a bloated sum. Seriously - $7.7bn to teach citizens of Mexican descent? How does one even calculate that number? What does CA spend on education each year, $70b? 80?
 
One other thing, about Tashas point earlier.

CA, NY, IL, TX, and FL have the most illegal immigrants, because they have the highest populations and largest economies.
 
From your link:



So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

As far as I know there is no law that says parents can not take their children with them.
 
What about the 320+ billion a year they cost the U.S., ever wonder why we are over budget and that's not even counting misc.stuff.

So what if it cost 50 million to send them home we'd save 270 billion that year.

They broke the law to get hear you don't reward that kind of behavior if you do,you might as well release all non-violent offenders in prison also.

If you think about this financially it's a war, because they are killing us, by us supporting them.Most send their money back home so it's not helping our economy much at all.

I'm not trying to say they are causing all of our problems,because our government does a pretty good job by itself, but why throw another log on the fire.

You're looking at billions of dollars to export every illegal immigrant. Not $50 million.
 

If they weren't illegal then they would be paying into ther $7 billion dollars needed for their children to be educated.

This was an interesting part of the article. What would happen to this $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry when 2/3 of the workers are deported?
Immigrants, both legal and illegal, are the backbone of the state's nearly $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry, Gonzalez and other researchers say.

More than two-thirds of the estimated 340,000 agriculture workers in California are noncitizens, most of whom are believed to be illegal immigrants, according to a 1998 study on farmworkers prepared for the state Legislature.

Local farmers say migrant farmworkers are critical to their businesses, and without them they would have to close their farms or move their operations overseas.
 
From your link:



So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

Secondly, that number has to be a bloated sum. Seriously - $7.7bn to teach citizens of Mexican descent? How does one even calculate that number? What does CA spend on education each year, $70b? 80?
can you prove all those kids are Anchor babies?
 
Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems.

No. It's a real issue regarding the fact that invaders from a foreign country who are here illegally are consuming resources not intended for them.

Or what part of "illegal" is obscure to you?

Rather than bitching about California's "archaic" tax system, bitch instead about it's dinosaur socialist spending programs. Too much spending...that is the reason families, businesses, and governments have budget problems.
 
From your link:



So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

Secondly, that number has to be a bloated sum. Seriously - $7.7bn to teach citizens of Mexican descent? How does one even calculate that number? What does CA spend on education each year, $70b? 80?


Hmmmm....7.7 x 10^9 dollars spent on 3.0 x 10^7 Mexican invaders = $260 each.

Sounds a bit low, if you ask me, considering that California alone spends roughly $7000 per head for each student in public school, and all the little invader kids are required by law to go to school, and ILLEGAL invaders would never dream of breaking any US laws, right?
 
No. It's a real issue regarding the fact that invaders from a foreign country who are here illegally are consuming resources not intended for them.

Or what part of "illegal" is obscure to you?

Right.

45% of all doctors in his country are foreign born and educated. Nobody complains about that.

Yet when they come to mow our lawns, OH. MY. GOD.

We suck. We get all riled up when jobs which take *very few* resources are replaced by cheaper labor, yet when the high-paying, high-education jobs are being taken nobody gives a ****.

Rather than bitching about California's "archaic" tax system, bitch instead about it's dinosaur socialist spending programs. Too much spending...that is the reason families, businesses, and governments have budget problems.

Do you have problems reading?

Or, if they really had balls (which is most obviously lacking in CA), they would say to their constituents that their unwillingness to reform taxes to meet the new reality must necessitate a cut in spending.
 
Sounds a bit low, if you ask me, considering that California alone spends roughly $7000 per head for each student in public school, and all the little invader kids are required by law to go to school, and ILLEGAL invaders would never dream of breaking any US laws, right?

Well, first of all, CA doing a horribly inefficient job at, um, everything can hardly be blamed on non-voting immigrants.

Secondly, the vast majority of those children must be 'anchor babies,' you don't seriously believe millions of children immigrated here illegally?

And what is with this invasion talk? That's overdone hysteria. Let's wait for the aliens who actually want to wipe us out and not work for us before we make that kind of talk.
 
Well, first of all, CA doing a horribly inefficient job at, um, everything can hardly be blamed on non-voting immigrants.

Secondly, the vast majority of those children must be 'anchor babies,' you don't seriously believe millions of children immigrated here illegally?

And what is with this invasion talk? That's overdone hysteria. Let's wait for the aliens who actually want to wipe us out and not work for us before we make that kind of talk.
I would like to see your green card please :2wave:
 
And what is with this invasion talk? That's overdone hysteria. Let's wait for the aliens who actually want to wipe us out and not work for us before we make that kind of talk.

Take me to your leader :aliens1::aliens3:
 
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