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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    I am hoping on her no longer being speaker
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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Illegal jobs shouldn't need protection. Why? Because they shouldn't be illegal.

    Immigrants should easily and quickly be able to get work visa's and shouldn't be pushed to work illegally.
    I agree with that, if people from other countries need the work and we cannot find domestic labor to fill the jobs we need to facilitate some temporary solutions, I also have no problem with the work visa having a provision for full citizenship, let's get the illegal immigration problem under control using creative methods as well as enforcement, instead of being only heavy handed and forcing immigrant problems into the shadows.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    It costs money to relocate legal labor from mexico, for example
    it costs a little less money, or maybe even more, to relocate legal labor w/i America's borders
    its costs NO MONEY to let illegals relocate to where a labor shortage is
    there is no national labor shortage in the US, not with an 8% unemployment rate
    there are regional and local shortages
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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    It costs money to relocate legal labor from mexico, for example
    it costs a little less money, or maybe even more, to relocate legal labor w/i America's borders
    its costs NO MONEY to let illegals relocate to where a labor shortage is
    there is no national labor shortage in the use
    there is regional and local shortages
    I also agree with this, in the event that we could implement sweeping welfare reform requiring some form of work we could alleviate the above problems, labor demand requires a supply, which is an enticement for companies and illegals to subvert immigration law, if we forced people to work we would easily fill said labor demands internally.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American.



    While I am no fan of some of the enforcement tactics, I think that Pelosi is really off base with what she is doing here. We should not be letting illegal immigrants get the idea that it's okay to be here illegally. And I think essentially that is what she is doing. With the economy the way it is we need to be thinning the herd a bit and reducing the number of entitlement dependent people in the U.S. Starting with illegal immigrants.

    While I disagree with the armed LEO's raiding houses and separating parents from children thing, I truly believe we have to make this country a nice place to visit, but not stay (unless you're legal). Penalizing employers heavily and cutting off welfare benefits are a start. Traveling around telling groups of people, some of whom are presumably illegal immigrants, that anti-immigration enforcement is un-American is ridiculous. Workplace enforcement of immigration laws is necessary.

    Pelosi should step down.
    It is anti-American to encourage illegal immigration. Which is basically encouraging another country to invade yours seeing how the vast majority of the 20 plus million illegals in this country are from Mexico.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is anti-American to encourage illegal immigration. Which is basically encouraging another country to invade yours seeing how the vast majority of the 20 plus million illegals in this country are from Mexico.
    Technically it is treason as crossing borders without a passport is an illegal activity, not quite an act of war but an invasion nonetheless. While I realize it is all in the semantics a case could be made for the charge of treason with a creative prosecuter, "the illegals are invaders, therefore enemies of the state, Mrs. Pelosi's statements give aid and comfort to said enemy".
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    We are in partial agreement here, but what I want to know is who is "pushing" these people to work illegally in the US? Did someone FORCE them to illegally cross the border and "illegally" find work?
    By forcing people to wait months and years before that are granted a work visa.

    There is no reason to have people wait in a digital line for months or years just so they can cross the border and perform some minimum wage job.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    By forcing people to wait months and years before that are granted a work visa.

    There is no reason to have people wait in a digital line for months or years just so they can cross the border and perform some minimum wage job.
    But this is not "forcing" them to violate our laws unless you are of the belief that they have some kind of "right" to work here.

    Like I stated, I think we are on the same page, but we disagree when it comes to making excuses for illegal activity.

    Yes, we definitely need modernization and reform in this department beyond building sophisticated fences and surveillance. But I am not going to make excuses that the system is a cause and effect of illegal activity.

    The illegal(s) we see never had the intentions of properly filing their immigration papers and jump ahead of the line for those who do.

    You do realize that there is also a LARGE population of illegal aliens who came legally and had visas that expired and then CHOSE not to renew or leave the country after the expiration right? It's not just those farm workers picking strawberries.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    By forcing people to wait months and years before that are granted a work visa.

    There is no reason to have people wait in a digital line for months or years just so they can cross the border and perform some minimum wage job.
    Try being an illegal in Mexico from the U.S. and see how you are treated.

    As long as people enter the country legally I don't have a problem.

    One of the reasons for legal immigration is health checks and knowing who these people are.

    Last time I checked 12 Americans die from illegal drunk drivers every day,and 12 Americans are murdered every day,and this doesn't even count other crimes like pedophiles and rapist.

    By the way Mexico is slowly winning the war by peaceful invasion,how many amnesties are we going to give them,that's a great way to become a citizen break the law be citizen.

    If we follow that policy we shouldn't have any laws to enforce against our citizens if we don't enforce the laws against them.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    And who exactly doesn't hate Maxine Waters and Barney Frank?? I don't know anyone! Well truthfully most of the dems I know IRLprobably don't even know who Barney Franks and Maxine Waters are. That's the sad truth of it.
    Apparently alot of people, they keep getting voted in.
    George W. Bush is a liberal.

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