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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Three (California, New York, Illinois) of the top five states with illegal immigrants are now fiscally bankrupt. Texas and Florida are on the edge.

    Coincidence?
    Yes.

    California has an archaic tax code (for example, property taxes are frozen from the time one purchases it. If someone bought a house in 1970 for $200k that's now worth $1m, they will pay less in property taxes than someone who buys a house today worth $500k) and suffers from political paralysis more than any other. Also, the state is highly dependent on capital gains on the richest, which have fallen significantly due to the recession.

    New York is dependent, in no small part, on taxes on bonuses on exec's, which makes usually 30%, on average, of 4th quarter revenue. From 2007 to 2008, bonuses fell by 45% and, according to the state comptroller, cost NY $1b in personal income tax revenue.

    I am not familiar with the situation in Illinois, though I can tell you that in Texas the problem is not illegal immigration.

    Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems. It is an untruthful tactic used to stoke anger from people who do not know better. Instead, an honest politician would say that budget crisis is due to falling revenue which is due to recession. Or, if they really had balls (which is most obviously lacking in CA), they would say to there constituents that there unwillingness to reform taxes to meet the new reality must necessitate a cut in spending.

    As for Pelosi (and every other DC dumbass who has been there so long they've literally become detached from reality), two words:

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Yes.

    California has an archaic tax code (for example, property taxes are frozen from the time one purchases it. If someone bought a house in 1970 for $200k that's now worth $1m, they will pay less in property taxes than someone who buys a house today worth $500k) and suffers from political paralysis more than any other. Also, the state is highly dependent on capital gains on the richest, which have fallen significantly due to the recession.

    New York is dependent, in no small part, on taxes on bonuses on exec's, which makes usually 30%, on average, of 4th quarter revenue. From 2007 to 2008, bonuses fell by 45% and, according to the state comptroller, cost NY $1b in personal income tax revenue.

    I am not familiar with the situation in Illinois, though I can tell you that in Texas the problem is not illegal immigration.

    Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems. It is an untruthful tactic used to stoke anger from people who do not know better. Instead, an honest politician would say that budget crisis is due to falling revenue which is due to recession. Or, if they really had balls (which is most obviously lacking in CA), they would say to there constituents that there unwillingness to reform taxes to meet the new reality must necessitate a cut in spending.

    As for Pelosi (and every other DC dumbass who has been there so long they've literally become detached from reality), two words:

    Term Limits.
    California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion A Year : Diggers Realm

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    From your link:

    Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost, estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report.
    So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

    Secondly, that number has to be a bloated sum. Seriously - $7.7bn to teach citizens of Mexican descent? How does one even calculate that number? What does CA spend on education each year, $70b? 80?
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    One other thing, about Tashas point earlier.

    CA, NY, IL, TX, and FL have the most illegal immigrants, because they have the highest populations and largest economies.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
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    So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.
    As far as I know there is no law that says parents can not take their children with them.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    What about the 320+ billion a year they cost the U.S., ever wonder why we are over budget and that's not even counting misc.stuff.

    So what if it cost 50 million to send them home we'd save 270 billion that year.

    They broke the law to get hear you don't reward that kind of behavior if you do,you might as well release all non-violent offenders in prison also.

    If you think about this financially it's a war, because they are killing us, by us supporting them.Most send their money back home so it's not helping our economy much at all.

    I'm not trying to say they are causing all of our problems,because our government does a pretty good job by itself, but why throw another log on the fire.
    You're looking at billions of dollars to export every illegal immigrant. Not $50 million.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If they weren't illegal then they would be paying into ther $7 billion dollars needed for their children to be educated.

    This was an interesting part of the article. What would happen to this $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry when 2/3 of the workers are deported?
    Immigrants, both legal and illegal, are the backbone of the state's nearly $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry, Gonzalez and other researchers say.

    More than two-thirds of the estimated 340,000 agriculture workers in California are noncitizens, most of whom are believed to be illegal immigrants, according to a 1998 study on farmworkers prepared for the state Legislature.

    Local farmers say migrant farmworkers are critical to their businesses, and without them they would have to close their farms or move their operations overseas.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
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    So, even if we did round up all the illegals, it wouldn't affect $7.7b of the 9 which is used to educate their children who are citizens. Instead, you'd be increasing costs because now those children would have to be cared for by the state.

    Secondly, that number has to be a bloated sum. Seriously - $7.7bn to teach citizens of Mexican descent? How does one even calculate that number? What does CA spend on education each year, $70b? 80?
    can you prove all those kids are Anchor babies?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Instead, this is a populist message used to blame those who mow lawns for our problems.
    No. It's a real issue regarding the fact that invaders from a foreign country who are here illegally are consuming resources not intended for them.

    Or what part of "illegal" is obscure to you?

    Rather than bitching about California's "archaic" tax system, bitch instead about it's dinosaur socialist spending programs. Too much spending...that is the reason families, businesses, and governments have budget problems.

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