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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Three (California, New York, Illinois) of the top five states with illegal immigrants are now fiscally bankrupt. Texas and Florida are on the edge.

    Coincidence?
    More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.
    Most of these people, if made legal, will qualify for more state and federal benefits.

    That is not a good idea, considering we already have a shortage of jobs and a surplus of workers.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most of these people, if made legal, will qualify for more state and federal benefits.
    They should not qualify for any state benefits unless they are full employed and paying taxes for those benefits. I am not suggesting they be made citizens. If they don't have employment then they should be deported and do not qualify for benefits or unemployment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is not a good idea, considering we already have a shortage of jobs and a surplus of workers.
    I am talking more during a normal economy, not today's circumstances. There is no general solution that will work during a recession and an argument could even be made that new work visa's should be put on temporary hold during economic downfall for fear of unemployed citizens competing for jobs with non-citizens on work visa's.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    They should not qualify for any state benefits unless they are full employed and paying taxes. I am not suggesting they be made citizens. If they don't have employment then they should be deported.
    I'm really not sure either way, I work with people from South America and the ones who wanted to stay here (at least the ones I work with) are here and for the most part legal.

    The others, including one guy who had been here 16 years, have left.
    When he left he took all that he earned, not counting what he sent back during the time he was here, back to his home country.

    I'd say a lot of those here don't want to stay and will only take advantage of the system until they go home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I am talking over all, not today's circumstances specifically.
    That is a good start to some sort of compromise.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm really not sure either way, I work with people from South America and the ones who wanted to stay here (at least the ones I work with) are here and for the most part legal.

    The others, including one guy who had been here 16 years, have left.
    When he left he took all that he earned, not counting what he sent back during the time he was here, back to his home country.

    I'd say a lot of those here don't want to stay and will only take advantage of the system until they go home.
    As long as they are paying into the system like everyone else they are free to do whatever they want with the money they legally earn for their services.

    The problem with today's illegal immigration and difficulty of obtaining work visa's is that we realistically have millions of workers that are doing jobs illegally that we could easily allow them to do legally and thus allowing us to receive tax benefits from their work and them to advance their livelihood.

    But those on the right would rather spend billions of dollars spanking these people back across the border every time they cross then to allow the country to fiscally benefit from their current continuous work.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    As long as they are paying into the system like everyone else they are free to do whatever they want with the money they legally earn for their services.

    The problem with today's illegal immigration and difficulty of obtaining work visa's is that we realistically have millions of workers that are doing jobs illegally that we could easily allow them to do legally and thus allowing us to receive tax benefits from their work and them to advance their livelihood.

    But those on the right would rather spend billions of dollars spanking these people back across the border every time they cross then to allow the country to fiscally benefit from their current illegal work by allowing them to work legally and thus pay taxes.
    I'm personally not happy with them skirting the system ahead of other people.

    I'm not sure how to approach it.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm personally not happy with them skirting the system ahead of other people.
    Oh I'm not either. I just think it's more trouble then it's worth to round up everyone that is currently here, deport them, and ask them to please come back legally. It would be a waste of billions of dollars just to make point.

    I'm more for cutting our losses and allowing easier work visa's and allowing those currently here to obtain these visa's. Once this is done then the consequences for working here illegally should be increased because then it really comes down to tax evasion.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Oh I'm not either. I just think it's more trouble then it's worth to round up everyone that is currently here, deport them, and ask them to please come back legally. It would be a waste of billions of dollars just to make point.

    I'm more for cutting our losses and allowing easier work visa's and allowing those currently here to obtain these visa's. Once this is done then the consequences for working here illegally should be increased because then it really comes down to tax evasion.
    I think holding the employers accountable is a valid tactic for attrition.

    I really don't like holding people to different standards, considering if any of us intentionally avoided taxes we would be in deep doo doo.
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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I also find it amusing that you think the above will solve the problem because the above is exactly what happens today. The illegal immigrants that are arrested and deported just turn right back around and enter the US again and find a new employer.

    Personally I would rather make work visa's easier to obtain to allow immigrants to legally work, pay taxes, increase our economy, international relations, and lower criminal activity. But that's just me.
    Personally, I would rather make the profit incentive to hire illegals financially prohibitive. Levy stiff fines (accumulative) and quadruple the state/local tax rates of employers who utilize illegal immigrants. But that's just me.

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    Re: Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    More reason to make it easier for these illegal immigrants to work legally and add to the states economy.
    What about the 320+ billion a year they cost the U.S., ever wonder why we are over budget and that's not even counting misc.stuff.

    So what if it cost 50 million to send them home we'd save 270 billion that year.

    They broke the law to get hear you don't reward that kind of behavior if you do,you might as well release all non-violent offenders in prison also.

    If you think about this financially it's a war, because they are killing us, by us supporting them.Most send their money back home so it's not helping our economy much at all.

    I'm not trying to say they are causing all of our problems,because our government does a pretty good job by itself, but why throw another log on the fire.

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