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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Since Vladimir Putin is no longer head of Russia ... I would say the time is right for his liquidation.

    Once his influence is gone Russia will be able to un-**** itself.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Some of you need to catch up on current intercept capabilities so that you wil not again make the mistake of claiming "the system doesn't work"

    It bad enough to make excuses for Obama bending over for Russian threats. Its worse to do so on either ignorant or intentional false claims.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The defense shield is anything but pointless. In the event of a limited exchange it gives the president the option to mitigate the threat without escalating to a total nuclear apocalypse. You call that "pointless?"
    What makes you think that Russia, or quite frankly anyone else will use ICBMs in this day and age?

    If I was a terrorists or a ruler of a country that was on poor terms with the US, a ICBM would be the last choice for delivery. It would be far easier to smuggle in parts for a nuclear weapon, build it within the US and deliver it by truck Oklahoma city bombing style. Defense shield can't begin to stop that. Or I'd simply ship a lead lined container armed with a timed nuclear device. The ventures for weapons delivery that completely defeat a missile shield are quite endless and much, much, much cheaper and reliable then an ICBM. ICBMs require small, reliable warheads and reliable, well designed long range missiles using solid fuels. That's expensive. And take a long time to produce. A simple gun design can be built literally of parts from your local Radioshack abet without the critical mass. Congress commissioned several nuclear engineers and scientists to do this. Graham Alison details that event. Quite frightening. And we could be spending the billions we're spending on the Defense shield on actually securing the likely sources of nuclear strikes.

    So yes. Virtually pointless.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post

    This is what you get when a stupid republican decides to build a military defence shield conviently beside Russia to defuse an Iranian threat to the west that currently does not exist. Place it in Turkey or in Israel for god sakes. WHY the eastern bloc?
    Screw 'em.

    Let the blow trillions of rubbles on modernization. That entire wealth is based off of hydrocarbon and mineral wealth. If we can get off oil as a mainstay for the electrical grid, oil prices will drop and Russia will find its coffers quite barren. Then the expensive modernized Russian military will decay just as the Soviet military did. And we'll be laughing. Hard and loud at the same time we're selling them green energy products.

    This kiddies is an example of poor government management. Instead of spending money on education and economic development, you go and blow it on military when you really have no existential threats and all built upon unsustainable cash flows.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What makes you think that Russia, or quite frankly anyone else will use ICBMs in this day and age?
    That they exist and that countries are building them?
    If they were truely obsoluete, then they would all be dismantled.

    If I was a terrorists or a ruler of a country that was on poor terms with the US, a ICBM would be the last choice for delivery. It would be far easier to smuggle in parts for a nuclear weapon...
    Threat A necessitates Defense A
    Threat B necessitates Defense B
    That Defense A does not affect Threat B is not an argument against Defense A.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Screw 'em.
    Let the blow trillions of rubbles on modernization. That entire wealth is based off of hydrocarbon and mineral wealth. If we can get off oil as a mainstay for the electrical grid, oil prices will drop...
    Are you talking about the US grid?

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Russia to rearm military as NATO expands: Medvedev

    This is what you get when a stupid republican decides to build a military defence shield conviently beside Russia to defuse an Iranian threat to the west that currently does not exist. Place it in Turkey or in Israel for god sakes. WHY the eastern bloc?
    Don't be a tool. Russia was going to build up anyway, it's the only direction they have. Man, where the hell have you been for 20 years?
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Since Vladimir Putin is no longer head of Russia ... I would say the time is right for his liquidation.

    Once his influence is gone Russia will be able to un-**** itself.
    Technically he still IS in control; but wow, I cannot prescribe to such a radical solution no matter how much I can't stand the guy.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't be a tool. Russia was going to build up anyway, it's the only direction they have. Man, where the hell have you been for 20 years?
    Yes, but when used in the context of "to diffuse a NATO threat", then there will be cause for concern. Especially when taking into account the bully tactics used by the Russians to surrounding countries. To think they will be more advanced in a few years time and continue to bully surrounding countries is worrying. Especially because it is already seeking to expand its influence in the area. So what the hell has your assertion got to do with anything?
    What, just because you speculate they where going to go build it up anyway, we should ignore there threat?
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Yes, but when used in the context of "to diffuse a NATO threat", then there will be cause for concern. Especially when taking into account the bully tactics used by the Russians to surrounding countries. To think they will be more advanced in a few years time and continue to bully surrounding countries is worrying. Especially because it is already seeking to expand its influence in the area. So what the hell has your assertion got to do with anything?
    Putin was going to do it anyway, NATO has been around for decades, it's just an excuse.
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