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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    What none of you seem to realize is that for Russia the 'Cold War' never ceased.

    True there was a short pause, but after the KGB (FSB) regained control of Russia, they pushed vast quantities of (Oil and Energy) money back into a rearmament policy.

    Russia having repelled two aggressors seeks to deter any future aggressive behavior by any Nation that may at some time prove to be a threat.

    Whether NATO (which to my mind is a paper tiger, individual countries within it's ranks decide whether to help or not based on their individual beliefs) and the West also decide to rearm is immaterial.

    The Russian pschye is such that they must always be ready for invasion by any other Nation or coalition of Nations.
    I do not understand how this is strictly unique to Russians. In-fact I think governments are formed, in part, to protect people from foreign invaders, as the human condition is to fear anything that is different, especially if that thing is moving onto your land.
    I do not think anybody seriously thinks the Cold War is over. Politicians might seem like they are trying to warm up to the Russians, but it would be a stretch to say that a certain American politician would take any warm feelins between the two states as serious business.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    POLI 101: The Security Dilemma

    One country constructs "defense" that could potentially be used as offense, or the full capabilities of the "defense" are not entirely known, and the opposing nation moves to reinforce its own defensive/offensive position. The perpetrator then responds and enhances their own defenses yet again, and the cycle continues.

    The defense shield is pointless, expensive, petty posturing, and I don't believe we know for sure that it would work in a live situation.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    POLI 101: The Security Dilemma

    One country constructs "defense" that could potentially be used as offense, or the full capabilities of the "defense" are not entirely known, and the opposing nation moves to reinforce its own defensive/offensive position. The perpetrator then responds and enhances their own defenses yet again, and the cycle continues.

    The defense shield is pointless, expensive, petty posturing, and I don't believe we know for sure that it would work in a live situation.
    The defense shield is anything but pointless. In the event of a limited exchange it gives the president the option to mitigate the threat without escalating to a total nuclear apocalypse. You call that "pointless?"

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    I do not think this is entirely do to the missile shield, or that such was even the main reason.

    Russia got embarrassed in the war against Georgia. While the final result was inevitable, Russia had many fighters, including Su-37s, shot down. It took 5 days to take out Georgia's air defenses, which for a country that size is quite a long time to say the least. The conflict exposed the age and inefficiency of the Russian military machine, and a responsible plan of carrying out reform would be launched in any nation following that operation.

    Not completely unlike the US following Vietnam, Russia would be wise to move from a conscript force using obsolete tactics to a smaller, elite, entirely professional military.

    By the way, Yeltsin said that would happen by 2010 so it shouldn't be a major surprise.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    I do not think this is entirely do to the missile shield, or that such was even the main reason.

    Russia got embarrassed in the war against Georgia. While the final result was inevitable, Russia had many fighters, including Su-37s, shot down. It took 5 days to take out Georgia's air defenses, which for a country that size is quite a long time to say the least. The conflict exposed the age and inefficiency of the Russian military machine, and a responsible plan of carrying out reform would be launched in any nation following that operation.

    Not completely unlike the US following Vietnam, Russia would be wise to move from a conscript force using obsolete tactics to a smaller, elite, professional military.
    It was a test that I bet all their analyzers will not put to waste. One I bet the U.S.A analyzed very closely also.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Because it's supposed to also send a message to the Russians?


    Medvedev means Bear; literally "eater of honey". Some suggest it's also possible that it means "knower of honey" ("Med" is honey; similar to "Mead").

    I think he is living up to that persona. He is getting all the honey in the world, while Putin continues his dominance of the Russian politics.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    And where exactly are these launch sites then, Goobieman?
    Where would Iran have their launch sites... hmm... somwhere in Iran?

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    POLI 101: The Security Dilemma
    One country constructs "defense" that could potentially be used as offense, or the full capabilities of the "defense" are not entirely known...
    This doesnt apply to the NMD/NMD-Europe, so the rest of your post is meaningless.

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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Both Turkey and Israel are too close to the supposed Iranian launch sites to defednd Europe.
    What part of Iran? Its a pretty big country, if its on the eastern side of Iran then Turkey is an ideal location to place the shields, and Israel. If not, then it can be placed near or on the bosphorus. Or even if Turkey was too close anyway, theres other alternatives. Putting the shields near to the bosphorus even, is ideal, or even better, the eastern provinces of Turkey. Placing the shields near the bosphorus will provide protection for Western Europe, and Eastern European countries.
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    Re: Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    What part of Iran? Its a pretty big country, if its on the eastern side of Iran then Turkey is an ideal location to place the shield.
    No. It isn't.

    You know what post-apogee, midcourse/terminal-phase means, right?
    And how that necessitates a certain placement of the system for it to be as effective as possible, right?

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